
It is a well-known fact that people from the West Coast are smarter/more sophisticated than ppl from the rest of the country (esp ppl from New York, who always think they know everything about everything but actually are pretty dumb and unsophisticated). If there is a new trend that u just heard about, chances are someone from the West Coast invented it a long time ago, only u didn't know about it until now. One example of this is SKRAMZ.
Can u believe that the fggt singer from this ghey pop band invented TEH SKRAMZ??? Hard 2 believe I know but look at Chris' gauges and u can see how he wishes that they were playing at Gilman in 1994 with Portraits of Past.
What is skramz??
Skramz is just another word for the shitty 90s screamo bands that I listened to when I was in high school. My bro Alex from the popular easycore/pop band Fight Fair coined this term a while ago to draw a line between "true screamo" and "false screamo" bands. He originally said it for a joke, but it caught on with the kids and is now used non-ironically.
As u can see, these mnstrm preppy chicks are big Saetia fans. Wish I went to HS at Miramonte High School in Orinda, California (home of Fight Fair, Seeing Means More and Set Your Goals) so I could impress these girls by telling them I had the Reversal of Man demo in 1995 :( Mb they would drive me around in their X5's and buy me dinner with daddy's black card in a desperate attempt to be down. At least I can be stoked that my high school was the birthplace of BTM and 3A, which is pretty sweet too.Alex is nearly 10 years younger than me but that dude knows his shit when it comes to 90s screamo. He def earns his title of SKRAM BOSS, and I have to give him srs props on his knowledge. I have no idea how the fuck he knows about Jasmine and I Hate Myself but he does and it's pretty rad.
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It's probably hard to imagine when you look at it through the eyes of today's kids who can play sweep-picked arpeggios and ass-ripping double bass when they come out of the womb, but back in the early 90s the pre-Swing Kids band Struggle were considered amazingly tight and polished. PS WELCOME TO AMERICA YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE BEATEN
True screamo/skramz kids don't like to use the word "screamo" because that makes you think of shitty, inauthentic bands like The Used or Underoath who have nothing to do with hardcore and don't know the first thing about seeing Christopher Robin and Nineironspitfire in the basement of the Goat House in 1994. As retarded as the word "skramz" is, I can understand how the kids felt like they needed alternative term, because The Used are a truly wretched band and I wouldn't want to be lumped in with those Mormons-gone-wild either.

The origins of skramz
While I mostly listen to Forever The Sickest Kids and Brokencyde now, back in the 90s my life revolved around DIY hardcore and graffiti-- read my guest post "5 Things I Miss About 90s Hardcore" on X Stuck In The Past X for more details if you weren't around back then. It was a very, very strange time for hardcore and I don't miss it at all, but growing up on the West Coast in the 90s I was definitely around for the birth of screamo.

alexbigman posted this on October 22nd, 2007 @ 4:05:35 am
jear your so much more punk and diy then me omg...i went to college and joined a frat, made friends(do you have any?) hooked up with hot preppy girls...got a degree in history all while putting out 2 vinyl releases, booking diy tours/shows, letting the touring bands crash at my pad, got signed, STILL go to punk/hardcore shows at gilman/che cafe, buy vinyl....
and yahh i'll be on trl in about a year and i'll have a fuck jear shirt on
jear your so much more punk and diy then me omg...i went to college and joined a frat, made friends(do you have any?) hooked up with hot preppy girls...got a degree in history all while putting out 2 vinyl releases, booking diy tours/shows, letting the touring bands crash at my pad, got signed, STILL go to punk/hardcore shows at gilman/che cafe, buy vinyl....
and yahh i'll be on trl in about a year and i'll have a fuck jear shirt on
I saw pretty much all of the first wave screamo bands play at Gilman, The Velvet Elvis, Redmond YMCA, and various shithole basements in Washington, Oregon and California when I was in high school. Later on, I moved to the midwest, went to all the More Than Music fests and hung out at Legion of Doom on the regular, so I was unfortunate enough to sample a wide variety of annoying 90s screamo scenes.
I found the following laughably out-of-date information about Legion of Doom, I seriously think this must have been written a decade ago. Scotty now promotes shit like dubstep parties and that reminds me I need to hang out with him ASAP. Also, where is my Inept demo, and what is Adam Lowe doing these days???:It really is impossible to describe the culture to anyone who didn't go to shows before the internet existed, and as much as I genuinely hate what 90s hardcore was like and make fun of it, there was definitely something special about it. I know I sound old as fuck when I say this, but back then the barriers to entry were much higher, so anybody who went to shows, put out records, did a zine, or whatever was pretty dedicated.
"Mike Thorn is the best contact for hardcore, crust, grind, punky punk or how he can eat more cookies than anyone else alive today, Emmett White is good to talk to about emo, scremo, metal,or being a hippie- talk to Jon Strange about indie, pop, pop punk or his future political carreer (or even better how much he hates all animals. Scott Niemet will have moved out as of January 1st, as he is moving into fireexit."
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Fucking JOHN HENRY WEST, you can't fuck with this band!!! WHISPERING TEN THOUSAND WORDS
Getting a copy of the Anasarca 7" meant you had to comb through the ads in Maximumrocknroll or its gay, No Fun Club cousin Heartattack (what a piece of shit), or on rare occasions Flipside, send well-concealed cash to some stranger thousands of miles way, wait a few weeks, and hope you actually got something. Now you can just download anything you want in seconds, find out any any show in any city and get directions to it on your phone. That's a far cry from the days in which we would hear through the grapevine that there was an Abnegation show somewhere in Pittsburgh on the 17th or whatever. We would just drive to the city with no idea where the venue was and hope for the best. Somehow or another it always turned out OK, but I have no idea how we did any of this without the internets!
Dr. Spock, left, Charles Bronson's Mark McCoy on the right. Also note John from Bronson's giant denim shorts, a dead giveaway that this photo is of circa-1995 vintageWe used the term "screamo" to refer to bands like Anasarca, Antioch Arrow, Constantine Sankhati, Swing Kids, etc. These bands were into wearing sweaters, tight black pants, and dyed-black bowl haircuts. We often called them "spock rockers" because they looked like Dr. Spock from Star Trek.
After The Locust got popular and dumb kids who didn't come up in the DIY hardcore scene got into screamo, shitty bands like Thursday and My Chemical Romance showed up and ruined it for everybody. I guess that is when ppl started using the term "skramz" as a way of saying "we also scream a lot in our songs, but we do not shop at Hot Topic like the ghey fggts in those bands u like." At least that is my version of how skramz was born! Mb Alex can correct me if I am wrong??
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Chiodos = SCREAMO, UR DOING IT WRONG. Not skramz!
More info: How 2 embody TEH SKRAMZ LIFE
1. How NOT to skramz dance (via Wikihow)
I never heard anybody use the term "2 stepping" back in the day, much less "hardcore dancing," and neither has my brother in moshing Jose Galvan, so if you use these terms old ppl like us will know u are a little kid/poser. Here is a tutorial I found on "how to skramz/hardcore dance":
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Sick Of It All's video for "Step Down" very accurately captures how ppl danced at mid-90s hardcore shows and is the perfect visual aid for this tutorial
- Enter the pit at a post-hardcore show by "two-stepping", which is essentially a skip. To do this, place your hands in your pockets, look directly at the ground, throw one leg in front of your other, essentially in a tripping motion.
- Break out when the music goes from soft to loud. Flail in all directions wildly. During this point, it is essential to throw punches, karate chops, and kicks of all sorts.
- Start "windmilling". This is probably the easiest part. Just start moving your arms in a windmilling motion with fists clenched.
- "Pick up the change", which includes you grabbing at the ground like there are some gnarly weeds down there and throwing them over your shoulder while simulataneously ripping your elbows as high as possible. You can also "make the pizza", which essentially involves using one hand to make it seem as if you are spinning a large crust. "Mowing the Lawn" is also acceptable, although almost out of practice these days.
- Combine steps 1-4 in different orders during the show.
2. Further resources for embodying TEH SKRAMZ LYFE
- Threepennie on the Youtubes
Zillions of vintage 90s skramz videos- I hate this shit so I can't really handle watching it, but if you study them closely enough you can pretend you went to these shows like I did! - Viva La Vinyl
The bratty little sister of BCO, VLV is a messageboard full of kids who are too young to have experienced 90s screamo firsthand but worship it by paying too much for shitty 7"s on eBay. I believe this is also where Alex from Fight Fair first came up with the term skramz, and there is a shoutout to VLV on the upcoming Fight Fair album! - Your Scene Sucks "Skramz Revivalist"
This is where I stole the image at the top of the page, and it is a handy guide for acting like u luv TEH SKRAMZ LYFE - Where 2 buy/download skramz
Peep the Last.fm "Tr00 Screamo" group, then download their recommendations on Screamo Is Dead or Screamo For Dummies. If u want to 2 impress ur skramz friends by being "more hardcore" than they are, buy some shit from Youth Attack and tell them u like Lärm (so does Mark McCoy, so he will prob think u "know a lot about hxc for ur age").
To conclude, I will share some videos of screamo bands I saw/was friends with and/or h8d back in the day, along with my funny/irreverent comments on them. Hopefully it will make butthurt jerks from the No Fun Club angry that I know a lot about this stuff but don't really like it/take it srsly anymore.
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I fucking hate Chokehold. They were rich Canadian fggts who wrote dumb songs about smashing capitalism, then went back home to hang out in their parents' pool with John Pettibone from Undertow/Himsa (as told in Carrie Whitney's "Point Furthest From The Middle" zine circa 1994). Also, they stole the main riff in "Anchor" from Biohazard's "Business." LOL, how punk!
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Are An Albatross skramz?? I don't know. But I liked Ed Guida better when he wore sweater vests and listened to Shelter. I knew him as Eddie Refuge in the mid 90s because he did a zine called Refuge and played in the Scranton straightedge-pop-punk band Bedford with Chris Sleboda from Andrew Thomas Company lol. Somewhere along the line he must have discovered The Locust and turned into, well, THIS. Yuck.
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Orchid is another seminal skramz band that I had never listened to until 10 seconds ago when I looked them up on the Youtubes, but I used to talk to Will Dandy back in the day when he wrote for Punk Planet and was in a grindcore band called Laceration. He helped me interview Mike from Capitalist Casualties in 1994 and was generally a rad dude.
--Jeromes Dream honestly just sounds like static to me (and not in a good way like Anal Cunt or 7 Minutes of Nausea), but I guess they are also worshipped by skramz kids?? This shit was after my time so I don't listen to it but apparently this bro I know named Forbes put out their record; he was also in a sweet band called XThoughtstreamX that u should peep.
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My bro William Werner was the singer for this band Saetia which as I understand it are worshipped by kids who like teh skramz. I have honestly never heard them until 45 seconds ago when I found this on Youtube but he can definitely shriek with the best of them! He was also in a band called Hot Cross that I heard once and liked better than this.
90s screamo was all about 7"s that came in very authentic packaging, such as the Heroin 7". It came in a hand-screened sleeve made out of a paper bag. It can be expensive on eBay, but it's worth the price for this 7" because it is possible that notable San Diego rock personality Justin Pearson pulled the squeegee across your copy!!
The graphics on 1993 Antioch Arrow 7" cover were stenciled on with spray paint-- super authentic!! I know it is hard to replicate that kind of aesthetic on yr band's MySpace but do the best u can within the limits of digital media. mb try spray-painting directly onto the screen of your Macbook??--
This is the skramz equivalent of Old Skull. If this band released a 7" on Ebullition in 1993, my friends and I would have declared it the best thing ever recorded. Especially if it came in a hand-screened paper bag cover.
Here are some pictures of the infamous Pittsburgh fest in 1996. It is perhaps the definitive documentation of tru 90s skramz, so study this shit carefully!!! In attendance were a host of skramz luminaries such as SYWH & Metal Inquisition bro/Fate of Icarus bassist David Duncil and American Eagle art director/designer of the Hal Al Shedad 7" cover Philip Dwyer. Please note the ghey fggt in the upper left CRYING-- a very popular activity at 90s skramz shows!
Here are some pictures of the infamous Pittsburgh fest in 1996. It is perhaps the definitive documentation of tru 90s skramz, so study this shit carefully!!! In attendance were a host of skramz luminaries such as SYWH & Metal Inquisition bro/Fate of Icarus bassist David Duncil and American Eagle art director/designer of the Hal Al Shedad 7" cover Philip Dwyer. Please note the ghey fggt in the upper left CRYING-- a very popular activity at 90s skramz shows!I cannot think of a better example of TEH SKRAMZ LYFE than the absurd antics of Rent America at the Pittsburgh fest, and I am proud/ashamed to say I was there for every moment of it. Via BCO:
chrisstrunk2 posted this on June 23rd, 2005 @ 4:40:00 pmMy bff/former roommate BloodyGuts took the photos above and remembers this fest as vividly as I do. She has a Constantine Sankathi tattoo and used to date/eff Makeoutclub founder Gibby, so you should follow her on Twitter and ask her annoying questions about 90s screamo.
Rent America are responsible for the most absurd performance I saw of this era. They took awhile to set up, then they literally played a blast beat for like two seconds, and then they were all on the floor crying and rolling and crawling around. No more music was played. Also, the singer made a speech about refusing to use a microphone because it was elitist and placed him above the crowd before they played, so for the two seconds they played he was just yelling into the air. They were just lying on the floor crying for awhile, and then one of them started yelling "the worms...the worms..oh my god...the worms" and made this teary eyed speech about how because of the human race putting concrete and asphalt all over the earth when it rains the worms come out and can't find their way back to the earth and die in the sun on the concrete. At this point, people just started laughing and the rest of the set was spent by Rent America yelling at the crowd for not taking them seriously and about how it took so much guts to show that emotion in front of a crowd.
After that, Agnes Moraine's Autobiography played and took forever to set up. The guitarist tuned for 20 minutes, then they played half a song, and he threw his guitar across the room and fell on the floor crying. I walked out at that point.
tom posted this on June 24th, 2005 @ 8:29:24 am
The only detail strunk forgot from the Pittsburgh fest is Puritan's drummer grabbing one of his drum mics and yelling "95% of you should have a knife stuck in your neck."
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This Universal Order of Armageddon show is everything I hated about 90s hardcore: pretentious dickbags in tight pants screaming about their soul being on fire or whatever to a bunch of other pretentious dickbags who are all trying to win the Spock lookalike contest. Oh, and the music is noisy, tuneless garbage that sounds like a four year old having a tantrum while someone throws a drumset down their parents' stairs.
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While many ppl would accuse Circa Survive of being FALSE SKRAMZ, they are fully backed by SYWH and I will fight you if you talk shit on them. I got absolutely shitfaced with Anthony at 10:30 AM on a Tuesday no more than 15 minutes after I met him, and I have spent many hours praising Sepultura and Life of Agony with Brendan. They are hella mass tight bros of SYWH and legit as fuck. Also, it was pretty funny how after Anthony quit Saosin they got some shitbag/ass hole to replace him who basically just does an Anthony Green impersonation, only without being a rad dude with great stage presence-- FRONTMAN FAIL!
Does he know how much the dickface No Fun Clubbers at Ebullition would h8 him and his band?? I hope that one of those jerks sees this pic and gets super bummed that a bro from a pop band has one of their shirts. I hope they kick themselves for spending the 90s trying to bum everybody out instead of hanging out on the beach with awesome dudes like Alex.
Does he know how much the dickface No Fun Clubbers at Ebullition would h8 him and his band?? I hope that one of those jerks sees this pic and gets super bummed that a bro from a pop band has one of their shirts. I hope they kick themselves for spending the 90s trying to bum everybody out instead of hanging out on the beach with awesome dudes like Alex.Were u around for "the birth of screamo" like I was?? Do u h8 false screamo? What is ur favorite skramz band? Do u think Anthony Green is to blame for modern screamo? Should Fight Fair do a Warped Tour-exclusive skramz EP with covers of Spitboy, Manumission, Second Story Window and Downcast????????








54 comments:
As a former member of the NO FUN police, I enjoyed this a lot and passed it on to other No Fun Clubbers.
But was the '96 Pittsburgh fest the pinnacle? Not either Goleta Fest?
Ha! I actually never made it to the Goleta fests, but I did see fucking Hatebreed, Racetraitor, Charles Bronson and Day of Suffering at the Indy fest in 98(?) lolololol
I know you mentioned Rent America on Metal Inquisition at some point, but holy cow, I had no idea it was that ludicrous.
"the worms...the worms..oh my god...the worms"
WTF? As for 90's screamo, I went into it with an open mind, but holy shit was that all awful. Never heard the term "skramz" before either.
Also, a hefty LOL@
""Pick up the change", which includes you grabbing at the ground like there are some gnarly weeds down there and throwing them over your shoulder while simulataneously ripping your elbows as high as possible."
Sweet baby Jesus...
this post takes me back to the early shows I went to at LOD...never owned many scramz (god it looks so dumb typing it out) records because I was into powerviolence and hellnation had that graphic where they were throwing the word "emo" in the trashcan.
Def saw Saetia and Devola with like 5 other people at LOD, the dude from jeromes dream would sing without a mic cuz his bitch screams were so loud, and I used to like My Lai (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFzX345ZeN0).
I think the dudes from fields lay fallow stayed at our house in bexley...anyone remember them?
goddamn martin and i used to bump Struggle and Chokehold, FML!
Peep the Nu-wave skramz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kNipUxO_Dw
As much as I may bitch about having dumb tattoos now and how it ruins my chances at ever dating a rich/successful/non-punk dude, posts like these make me feel that maybe I didn't totally throw my teenage years away by being into hxc. If nothing else, maybe there is a 20 yr old out there who is jealous that I saw New Day Rising at the Legion or that I attended the infamous Clevo fest where OLC sicked a crew of skinheads/Dwid on a frail emo kid for talking shit? Sometimes I'm bummed that I missed out on trying to have a normal life, but then I realize that my closest friends now (Sarge, Lucho of MI, & Duncil, among others) were ones I met back then, through going to shows, reading zines and generally being a loser.
I broke out some 7"s the other night (Constatine Sankathi, Inkwell, BobTilton, etc) and one of the things that these newer bands cant touch is the heart that went into the packaging. Take a look at the Christie Front Drive "away" 7", man. The inserts are HAND WRITTEN IN PEN. The covers are all hand spray painted with a photocopied "christie front drive" thingy pasted to the slipcover. CMON. They just don't make 'em like that anymore.
I'm glad that younger kids can appreciate the older "skramz" (new term to me), but I'm glad I got to experience holding hands and crying with a group of people at a box factory in Canton during a Puritan set while kids screamed into a mega-phone about their feelings. What I COULD do without, however was Kris Rinse trying to make me feel guilty for only being vegetarian and not vegan while eating Taco Bell. Ugh. That shit can stay in the past.
PS. Oh, and Mark McCoy is still my #1 hXc crush. *swoon*
adam lowe is a wedding photographer. struggle was so bad but "WELCOME TO AMERICA YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE BEATEN" is one of the best punk lyrics ever.
The Rent America shit had me dying and pretty much emodied everything i fucking hated about this garbage. I can't tell you how many random awful screamo bands i had the displeasure of seeing at the LOD.
I went to college in New Hampshire from '03 to '07 and this shit never went away at all. Every single show was this type of music and I fucking hated it. However, I will say Will Dandy was the one who recorded our demo this year. Pretty softspoken guy.
Oh, dude, I was there (I am old). I booked shows in Athens, GA and while we didn't get the infamous occurrences like the ones you mentioned in the atricle and comments, I've definitely seen stuff like bands who don't use microphones, refuse to play on a stage (because it puts us ABOVE the audience, dude) and page 99 with their 77 members. But, like Marne said earlier, I probably wouldn't trade it for anything. I mean, I was more into grind / hardcore (I was Assuck play in some dude's bedroom for fuck's sake), but it was impossible to avoid the bleed-through that all those scenes had going on.
Great post. Thanks for making me feel old as shit.
I actually also prefer Hot Cross over Saetia. I guess that makes me false skramz, too! YAY
So much to write -
- Dance move of choice when watching many of these bands was the folded arms, intense frown/furrowed brow wiggle. Follow up move was the closed eyes up front scream along.
I don't even use the term hardcore______ing because it's like Jewish people typing G_d. It's just gross.
If you use that term, you post on the b9 and wear flat billed ball caps.
- Struggle - One of my terrible bands played with these dudes in Sacto years ago. We were into the whole jumping around thing, but these guys were our first exposure to the climactic sobbing,falling to the ground, flailing expression of true emotion stupidity. It was embarrassing and ridiculous to experience. After the last bit of feedback faded away, the place got quiet I couldn't help but let out a HA! and received withering dirty looks from their midget singer.
He didn't follow up with anything though, prolly since I'm brown and by default, oppressed he let me slide.
- Heroin were totally sick to watch live, they flailed around too but unlike Struggle, they didn't cry. Just wear thrift store clothes and run all over the stage.
I saw them once with Juke @ Gilman Street (alongside Seattle SXE legends, UNDERTOW) That night Juke threw out a frozen pigs head into the audience, filled with firecrackers! That band was fun.I've also seen them share the stage with Jawbreaker and Spitboy who weren't that much a part of the no fun club, but were virulently anti-stupid heckles.
I had no idea what their songs were about, but we knew all the lyrics then (hangs head)
-Undertow Skramz connection: Seth Linstrum was in Undertow for a hot minute and his brother Cory was in bands like John Henry West and some other random ones I can't remember right now.
- Chokehold - Matt White was in this band and dude is backed (and a character) What I didn't understand about this band (and even bands like Struggle) How the fu*@ do you write songs with mosh parts and then get pissed when people mosh?
A+ post. I need to scan some photos of mid 90s tomfoolery for an follow up posts!
This whole post is A+. I was never totally into Skramz. I feel like an asshole for writing that, but I never liked the term screamo either. And I didn't even know what skramz meant till I saw that picture in yourscenesucks.
I do have a soft spot for a lot of these bands, but I never got to see the crying. Some band tried that no mic thing once, but they sucked so hard that I just assumed it was because they didn't own mics and sucked. Maybe they were being totes skramz por vita. here is pig destroyer being totes skrams bros.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApH6DTzi_Hc
I always liked Page 99 and their 77 members.
Question: Who are everyone's favs from back in the day?
Obv, I have a soft spot for Constatine Sankathi and as I mentioned, Inkwell still gives me a major boner.
Yinz remember some french skramz? Weep, dude. Holy shit. Those dudes were sooo sad/pissed.
It might have been proximity to Montreal (the city where metal lives) but my memories of the 90s hardcore scene, which I spent in Ottawa, are not nearly as ridiculous as yours. Shotmaker's music, for instance, still holds up in my mind. I think the inevitable threat of PCP-addled French-speaking mohicans showing up at your DIY hardcore show because there was nothing else to do encouraged people to keep it real.
I like that it was slightly different depending on your geographic location. Did west coast kids get to experience the awesomeness that was Southern Hardcore (a la Reversal Of Man)? Were there fests a plenty in Canada?
@dhd- Union of Uranus, 1 Eyed God Prophecy, Drift, Human Greed, etc were all SICK and that shit still holds up today for sure! Don't know any of those dudes personally but they seemed real cool.
i can still dig HEROIN and UOA but am amazed that bands like JEROMES DREAM are remembered much less listened to these days...
sarge, my band played indy fest that year, that was when i first noticed that the more hype a band has the longer it takes them to set up and the shittier they are...race traitor spent about forty minutes setting up their gear and then acted incredulous when told they had five minutes to play...
and i remember one band (i think it was agnes moraine's autobiography) had a fucking CEREMONIAL BOWL OF WATER that they sipped out of before they played. WTF?
The only moment I've ever witnessed similar to the Rent America incident was the time I saw Curse of Instinct from Detroit play this fest in Galesburg, IL. As they ended their set they were all screaming without a mic and at some point everyone stopped but the guitar player. Everyone shut off their gear and started packing up but he was still screaming, then he started writhing on the ground screaming, then he started rolling around the entire floor of this carpeted room in the college activity center. It was so awkward everyone had to leave the room and he was still screaming for another minute or two.
I grew up in DC. Screamo was TOTALLY what i was into. One of my first shows EVER was seeing JEROMES DREAM and Pg99 at the Wilson Center. I was hooked, no fun club and all. It was listening and seeing these east coast bands (MAJORITY RULE, ORCHID, SAETIA, CITY OF CATERPILLAR) that opened the door to other acts (CLIKITAT IKATOWI, ANGEL HAIR, INDIAN SUMMER, MOHINDER, MOSS ICON). It's still by far my fave genre, and a slew of newer bands in this vein are actually pretty decent (RAEIN, SED NON SATIATA, DAITRO). In any case, I <3 screamo and the 'skrams dude'. Haha, i saw that a few months ago and freaked because i have that Orchid patch as a shirt and that Pg99 shirt as a patch as well as Japanese-style sleeves... go-go stereotype perpetuation!
Also, LOVED it when those bands broke into DUB jams on their albums... AMANDA WOODWARD, CATHARSIS, DEGENERICS... can't remember if ENVY does or not...
Also also... this needs moar JP on Springer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqdw8wXqpA4
Ok- you guys remember that band Daughters? I feel like they were post-skramz or whatever. Was it that band that had the guitar player with an inkwell tattoo (boy with bird in hands- i have the patch that was pressed velvet, FTW.) on his forearm? I remember seeing him outside Roboto in Pgh (01 or 02?) and flipping my lid. What happened to that kid? Looking at Daughters google images, it seems like these dudes are all too moshmetal-looking and I'm feeling like I'm mistaken.
Found this post on facebook.
Were you at the more than music that got shut down because chokehold rocked too hard?
@Marne - Daughters were/are lame. My old band was doing a weekend tour with Circle Takes The Square and we played with Daughters in a basement in Grand Rapids. They were total mosh-bros and did the whole "show up/play/dip out" thing. However, their incantation before Daughters, As The Sun Sets, was pretty rad.
Yeah I think my friend said "You should go see Daughters because the singer has ridiculous hair and you'd love it". I cant recall what they even sound like. The same friend burned me a CD of As The Sun Sets and Im not sure if I ever listened to it. Hrm.
Yeah Daughters just fit into that categorie of early 00's techy hardcore, a-la PSYOPUS, FROM A SECOND STORY WINDOW, ION DISSONANCE, THE NUMBER 12 LOOKS LIKE YOU... etc. Homeboy DID have redic hair though, as well as THE tightest (fitting) pants i have ever seen.
I saw daughters once and it was terrible. the kids were wearing girl pants, cyclops hair styles, white belts and doing "metal fingers". If you don't know, its like jazz hands for metal posers.
So yeah that techy crap. they did play mouthbreather with coalesce when they toured a year or two ago and that was awesome.
I always associate "skramz" with Portraits of Past (good dudes). Is this just my Bay Area bias?
I went to school in Scranton, PA from 95-99 and have fond memories of the no-fun club emoting and crying all over NEPA...good times. Anyone want to buy a 717 XXX Sweatshirt?
The ceremonial bowl of water and bro freaking out by himself are EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT in this post haha, thanks!!
you forgot to mention Steve Aoki.
he sang for THIS MACHINE KILLS and was featured in HeartattaCk (which he also wrote for, and would give HC bands bad reviews) with the word's "yellow rage" scribbled on his chest, and majored in women's studies at UCSB. now, he really rocks the house as DJ KID MILLIONAIRE.
HAHAHAHA that's the same Steve Aoki as this one?!?!?!?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DO6Y9_5e7A
AMAZING!!! I knew his name sounded familiar!!
BTW I have been meaning to write a post about CHAINREACTIONCORE for a while- I don't know as much about it as I do trve skramz or power violence, but 18V, Excessive Force, etc were critical parts of my 20s and definitely deserve a post, especially now that Jame Shart is finally famous!
well this is fucking hilarious. the vectored dude looks like billy fucking werner. THE BILLY WERNER.
With my 'hardcore years' existing from around 95-98 I do consider it a more authentic era because it was buried quite deeply underground (especially in the UK). The experience as a younger teenager was quite alienating since the majority of the crowd were 20+ drinkers and rolling around crying wearing silly clothes didn't really wash. I think Bob Tilton were the only band to do stuff along those lines here.
Seeing Locust on their first Euro tour and it looked like aliens had landed, I never in a million years thought people would end up dressing like such fggts.
I dropped off ten years ago when there was something of an influx of poser bands playing 'chaotic' hardcore that flirted with ironic metal. If I recall Level Plane and Witching Hour were the main offenders at releasing this stuff. I had Gravity records in my blood and this stuff was not authentic enough. I'm with you on most points of this post but the UOA dis is just wrong, I think you're ears are plain fucked from 'crunkcore' nonsense.
Skramz is just another unbelievable post modern creation that drags us further towards the death of humanity.
I met the dude who ran Level Plane once (interviewed him for a job actually haha). Real cool guy, although I don't know much about the label aside from that I think they released that band Hot Cross' record?? (featuring THE Billy Werner I believe)
Epic post. You should just drop the modern "scene" pretense and just turn this into another HxC war stories blog. I know the internet has a thousand of those but your writing is good and it legitimately seems like you've been EVERYWHERE.
I never liked Earth Crisis or any of their other contemporaries. I always thought the 90's hardcore that consisted of dudes in ball bearing necklaces & cargo shorts playing tuneless, unlistenable cheese metal and calling each other 'nigga' was uncool.
I was, however TOTALLY into the tuneless unlistenable static played by dudes with dyed black spock haircuts, xtra medium "youth sports" t-shirts & tight pants. I recognize a lot of this was bad/not as good as I remember but at the time, to a kid who was bored with regular punk rock but who didn't live on the Coasts or Chicago where you could see these bands all the time, this stuff was ace!.
Totally weird that Aoki was into hXc (tho I didnt realize the extent to which you mentioned, jav). I remember when I lived in LA circa '04 i frequented his & frankie chan's nights @ beauty bar & cinespace. One night I walked into BB and saw Justin Pearson DJing and was all "UHHHHHHOMG". (Being from the midwest I only had SD superstar sightings during fests and JP was a major hXc crush of mine back in the 90s) I asked Steve if that was indeed "THE" JP and he thought my crush was hilaru. Later he mentioned something to me about the CaveIn/Gambit split and I was like "WHAAA?". His sister Devon Aoki is one of the cutest things alive.
PS. Why did Cave In start sucking so fucking bad?! Flypaper is FUCKING ESSENTIAL LISTENING!!
Yeah "All Leather", JPs industrial band or whatever are signed to Dim Mak, Aoki's label . I saw a couple a pics of him performing at various Aoki events and thought it was cool that he could get into that scene without pretense. Then he posted some blog on buddyhead complaining that he didn't "get DJ Culture" or the dance music the kids like these days, complained about being broke and called Aoki a tool. I guess there's no escape from being a bitter old hardcore dude.
Sarge this post is A++++ but im bummed you didnt trash mk-ultra.
Legion of Doom still does shows. I think you have mentioned how awesome Vile Gash is on here before. Also, Will is in an amazing, REAL, powerviolence band called Vaccine (among other bands). They are off the hook.
http://troubleonyoursystem.blogspot.com/2009/12/vaccine-demo-tape.html
I like this blog usually of course but this was the first post in a while where I was loving it all the way through. I don't have a clue what most of these bands are like, but when I was a confused teenager I had a giant boner for Antioch Arrow, Indian Summer and Heroin, and would talk the ear off motherfuckers at parties if they dissed 'emo', making sure to tell them EXACTLY what it was all about and when it started.
Looking back on it I was totally keeping the No Fun Club torch alive and ensuring I would be a virgin forever but I still listen to those bands a lot and really dig them, especially Antioch Arrow when they went off the deep end and be dressin' in drag and shit.
Though, like the Sarge, I prefer less 'obscurecore' stuff now and get my groove on to 'sellout' period 18 Visions, Set Your Goals and NFG, I'm totally luving the skramz life. Thanx for reminding me of it and that not everyone who knows about it is a total chode.
ps hXc Aoki = Mega Lolz for any HRO reader.
great post, but why is no one talking about other great screamo bands like The Assistant, Majority Rule, I Have Dreams or fucking You And I. Ahhh the days of 90s/early 00's screamo. so much pretense, so many speeches, so much rolling around on the floor.
wasn't there also some beating on chests with both hands and looking up to the sky going on back then on the dancefloor?
only relevant thing i can add is that the BTM/3A high school connect makes me smile.
my first legion show was the assistant in liek 01 or 02, and i banged that self titled jawn out all the time when i was 16... i would say that still has to rank in my top 20 or 30 most listened to records ever. other than that i got nothing, but i enjoyed feeling vicariously nostalgic about a scene i never really knew anything about.
oh yea...
if anybody knows where i could download that assistant record, i would love to give it another spin for a trip back to HS. and not that stupid one they came out with when i was in college and only listened to once or twice, the older one with all the movie samples.
i had a dream the other night that i was hanging out with jay-z because my girlfriend had invited him over, and i was real annoyed cause his new record was on and i don't like his new stuff at all. anyhow, i was going through my cds trying to find 'ridin dirty' by UGK so we could listen to something good, and passed by the copy of the assistant s/t record that my buddy gave me when i was 16 with all the song titles written on the disc. so fucking weird...
anyhow, jay-z ended up drugging me and trying to sleep with my girl. shitty dream.
Dude... John Henry West, 6.25.93? I saw them the night before in Colorado Springs. (It was part of a series of events revolving around my birthday, which is 6.23, which is why I'm certain about the date.) Fucking awesome.
True story: Sonny from Angel Hair / VSS was once my roommate and they used a picture I took of them on the insert of their 12".
Ah shit, hadn't been to SYWH in a minute and came back to find this total gem of a post. This stuff was sort of my gateway into heavy music back when I was just starting college in the early 2000's, so I obviously missed most of it. Don't even really remember how it happened, but I was living in North Carolina at the time and thus focused more on all those East Coast/Southeast bands...although I never, ever saw any of them play because I was a teenager with no car and no friends into the same music as I was. I was at that perfect idealistic age where the "honesty" of the music was what mattered most to me, but I have the feeling if I'd actually witnessed any of the ridiculous pretentious speeches or floor-rolling I would have just laughed my balls off. Still, I will always prefer this kind of actual bad-for-your-vocal-cords screaming to the I-learned-this-from-my-vocal-coach screaming in modern screamo.
I still love Saetia, pg99, Neil Perry, the first Orchid record, all that shit, and the one City Of Caterpillar LP is one of my favorite records ever.
Quick note about Level Plane: Dude who runs that label (are they still active?) is Greg Drudy, who played drums for Saetia and Hot Cross. He was also the first drummer for Interpol (before they got all famous, obviously).
Ah, great post. I'm 33,so I was right there for all this shit. I'm still having trouble believing that "skrams" is a real term, and not just a joke you made up for this post. I do think UOA is kind of awesome, I have to admit. And it's nice to see that everyone has a good word to say about Will from Orchid. We live in the same town and he is a really nice guy. Somebody mentioned his new band Vaccine and I can say they are great.
good stuff, although for the record, i was never at the pittsburgh fest, i am not in any of the photos shown, and i am not an art director for american eagle. haha, but everything else is true. love, phil.
forgot about glassjaw...the post-hardcore movement wouldnt exist without them. glassjaw is to post-hardcore as korn is to nu metal, as horse the band is to nintendocore, as venom is to black metal, and as minless self indulgence is to....itself.
and not that theyre thaaat important or anything but also no mention of the blood brothers. who would have started the lovely trend of dudes sounding like girls if not for johnny whitney? i miss that band more than anything...
" wasn't there also some beating on chests with both hands and looking up to the sky going on back then on the dancefloor? "
Yeah, you can't forget the "passionate-chest-drumming-lost-in-the-music-looking-to-the-sky-for-god" dance.
That SOIA video kills! We used to call the "sparechange" "floorpunch" tho.
I guess I'm kind of a "Skramz" kid....just don't tell anybody. Somebody name-checked New Day Rising Already, but somehow Grade never got mentioned. I was there at the Hellfest in Syracuse where Kyle from Grade got beat up and then some one (who will remain nameless..) shit in their hand and in turn squeezed it into Kyle's dreadlocks! Hilarious! Thats what you get for shit-talkin Earth Crisis nigga.
But yeah, Grade and New Day Rising were the only bands that I listened to that we considered "screamo"- but I liked most of the other bands mentioned. (Still like em!) We just didn't call it screamo.
Ha, i just felt like doing an internet search for skramz, because this shit was / is totally important to me, and this came up. Getting into hardcore around '01 i quickly grew disenchanted with brocore mosh-metal bullshit and then i found out about CTTS and Orchid, along with older bands like Moss Icon and Indian Summer and Swing kids, Antioch Arrow, Frail, the Fisticuffs Bluff, etc. Bought shitloads of records on ebay, saw some awesome shows here and there (Malady + Envy, Ampere + Das Oath, etc.) got an Orchid tat (buy a book. read up. i'm on every page.), wanted to start a band but never had any friends, but then i heard Venetian Snares and was like "holy shit!" and then i started screaming over breakcore and now i still do that but i also started making / djing house music. Just started digging out my old vinyl because my girlfriend broke up with me a while ago and i could use some catharsis.
We came up with the term skramz, yankees go home.
CZ Mafia.
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