Krishnacore… oh man where do I start? The beginning I guess – the most any HXC kid knew about Hare Krishnas in the late ’80s is that they hung around airports and tried to sell you books. Then in ’89 the Cro-Mags “Best Wishes” came out with this artwork
It seemed to come completely out of left field, but if you dig a little it’s not surprising that HXC and HKs would mix – the entire HK movement got it’s start in the Bowery in the late ’60s.. and the Bowery (home of CBGBs) was crowded with HXC kids in the ’80s.
While the Cro-Mags were sympathetic to the HK philosophy, Krishnacore didn’t get started until the genius of Ray Cappo blended Hare Krishna into straight edge – and man did kids go nuts – fanzines wasted sooo much ink discussing the pros and cons of being a Hare Krishna. I’m sure someone way smarter than me could explain how social/economic climates tie into pop cultures various trends (and I’d probably be pretty interested!), but let’s just say that the ’80s Reagan politics seemed to translate into a lot of rich middle class types kids ‘looking for something more in life’ (AKA out there spirituality).
The richer you get, the less religious you get - so some of your kids rebel against you and become religious?!?
Here’s some pro info: people will believe in any crazy thing as long as it backs up how they want to live their life… and HKs mostly conformed to the lulzy SXE rules – you just had to buy into ideas like the Sun is closer to the Earth than the Moon, blue multi-armed/headed gods, etc. Good enough! But there’s enough info out there in the interwebs criticizing the HKs – and they really are just as lulzy as any other group – let’s just look at Krishnacore bands.
I often laugh thinking about the horrified 90s parents that had their hxc kid come home one day with a shaved head, neck beads and trying to sell them HK books! The really funny thing is that at their core, HKs are probably more conservative in their views than the parents… These dudes were like a Moral Majority wet dream – no drugs, no mixing men and women, no abortion, etc.
Shelter was the band Cappo started after converting to HK – and released the first album on Revelation (which put it in the hands of every youth crew kid out there). I personally wasn’t really into this stuff (I never even really liked YOT), but on listening again I don’t think it’s too terrible. I think “Attaining the Supreme” is probably the strongest album.
But no matter how you cut it, Cappo can’t sing – he’s at his best in shitty production. In fact, I put on “Attaining the Supreme” the other day, and 15 seconds into the first song I thought “I bet Don Fury produced this…” and sure enough he did. Once Cappo got outside of that terrible production I think the band suffered… They also moved into a pretty lulzy pop-punk direction (more on that later).
Oh dear Go… er Krishna
The strange thing about the first three Shelter albums is that Cappo included HK lectures and chanting on them – and this stuff was real wild sounding in the early ’90s… But I will say this – on the first 4 Shelter albums Cappo sounds immediate – he’s into what he’s singing about & it comes across.
Cappo founded Equal Vision Records to focus on putting out ‘Krishna inspired’ bands – and first up was the band of ex-Inside Out guitarist Vic DiCara – 108. Disclaimer: I’m friends with these dudes, and they are genuinely nice guys – I’ll never say a bad word about them. Unlike all other Krishnacore bands, they are still putting out good new music.
After these two there was a stream of srs third rate bands… YouTube them for homework – Prema/Refuse To Fall/Baby Gopal/Worlds Collide/Cause for Alarm.
Unlike most ‘-core’ labels, Krishnacore was more a lifestyle than a music – it was suburban kids that up and completely embraced the HK lifestyle. Kids would drop everything and move into the local temple – put on robes and start talking like old yoga swamis. Looking back I can understand the appeal – what middle class early 20 something wouldn’t want to suddenly be ‘taken serious’ and blab on about spiritual matters?
Y U SO SRS??
The funny thing is, despite Cappo coming from HXC, and 108 really being a HXC band, lots of these kids were more of the IKEAcore types – they were more into the emo/womancore kinda music (Sunny Day Real Estate anyone?) and just experimenting with HXC. You can hear this in the later Shelter albums (which I brought myself to listen to for this post!) – they turned to third-rate pop-punk to appeal to these kids… Lots of these kids used HK to check out of life for their 20s – kinda like attending grad school – and hung out/traveled to India/moved around the country on their parent’s dime – kinda just like grad school! 90% of ‘em are probably completely out by now & waiting for another Page France album. And prob still wearing their neckbeads…
Comments or questions – hit me up on my tumblr! Super srs!!
When the fuck is tr00 krishnacore gonna hit? Y NO tumblersluts rep Krishna? Did Krishna robes inspire the Snuggly?
So drunk, so waiting for this article,i <3 king krakken and sgt. D. this website has made me a better person. I'm 19 and right now starting my regret core phase, thanks for being the only thing that makes me be okay with myself for being a fuckup. so drunk <3 u guiz. stuff you will hate= best website ever
<3 u brah!
Thanks – warmed my heart! <3 u guys!
Lolol I am an actual Indian brown man, and I fuckin hate hare krishna people/white people who try to convert to hinduism for the most part (some good dudes, obviously, but mostly annoying rich white suburbanites who don’t know shit). And bro, plz do not associate HK shit with actually being Hindu! They got most of the beliefs really wrong and fucked it up for the serious Hindus in this country. Don’t forget that we’re also the people who wrote the Kama Sutra and invented Tantric sex (also part of a Hindu sect that believes sex is gateway to god). And for clarification, no we do not worship cows and we are actually monotheistic, albeit in a slightly different way than the groce Abrahamic religions.
Also out of all the krishnacore bands I checked out when first getting into hardcore as a wee 14-15 year old 108 was the only one that stuck with me. I will rep that band til deth. I also used them to justify listening to hardcore to my very Indian immigrant parents who were confused as to why I would ever listen to such an abrasive genre. Being a skinny nerdy brown kid who in hardcore and skramz is a fun experience. White kids are always surprised to see me in the pit bringin da ignorant mosh.
Really glad you mentioned this– years ago I asked my boss, who was from Pune but raised in NYC, what normal indian people thought about HKs. He got a confused look on his face and said “Um, I’m not really sure exactly what they believe, but I guess we think of them kind of like how Christians think of 7th Day Adventists?? Kinda weird.”
I thought that was hilarious, because I don’t think many of the Krsnacore trendhoppers understand that they are not “taking part in the traditional indian belief system,” they are getting into some weird borderline cult.
Exactly my experience with most indians – no idea what HK was.
I really didn’t want to get into a big thing about ISKCON/HK vs tradtional Hinduism, as it’s a very complex/tangential topic. To add on, after most krishnacore types left the temples, ISKCON has basically become a function/catering service for local north indian communities… very little energy left in them as an organization.
FUCK OFF U BASTARD…U DONT KNOW WHAT IS HINDUISM…ACTUALLY THE TERM HINDUISM WAS COINED BY THE BRITISHERS BECAUSE INDIA WAS THE LAND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF INDUS RIVER…
YOU ARE NOT AT ALL FIT TO CALL URSELF HINDU U FUCKIN UGLY CREATURE…ACTUALLY HARE KRISHNA PEOPLE ARE THE REAL ONES FOLLOWING HINDUISM..THE MOVEMENT IS NOT A MERE SENTIMENTAL MOVEMENT…IT IS A MOVEMENT BASED ON SCIENCE AND FACTS….HINDUISM DOES NOT SUPPORT UNREGULATED SEX AND HINDUISM RESPECTS COWS…BECAUSE COWS ARE TREATED AS MOTHERS AND NO GENTLEMAN KILLS HIS OWN MOTHER…. MAY MOTHER FUCKERS LIKE U DO NOT LIKE THIS IDEA…BLOODY BASTARD
awesome post, its so funny how different the PC kids were back then, back when feminists were anti porn/sex worker, with the Krishna’s and the vegan warriors trying to one up each other, going as far as pro life/abstinence. remember that that abnegation 7 inch with the sample of the aborted fetus’s heart beat? not even a christian band would have to balls to do something like that today, maybe the lulzyest band was race traitor with the muslim shit, a guess they won the “who’s more hardline” contest?
my theory was always that since there were no girls around anyway, hardcore kids got too crazy, kinda like how dudes in all boys schools behave much worse since there are no girls around to be embarrassed in front of/ check their behavior.
its not hard to preach abstinence to a room full of straight men with no chicks anywhere, but today no hardcore kid would DARE even mentioning being pro-life knowing that he’d never get laid again.
i def know a few people who wasted their youth on that shit, and you’re totally right, it was mostly guilty white rich kids who just became krishna for a while instead of joining the peace corps. Is ANYONE from any of these bands still krishna? i remember reading something vic from 108 wrote talking about how krishna was like the worst thing in the world but now they got back to gather and still play shows, playing those old songs and everything? kinda weird i guess they must be THAT desperate.
Girls have changed hardcore more than anything, including the internet
Being a HK in the early ’90s meant being a part of ISKCON – the large organization that was the ‘Hare Krishnas’ everyone thinks of. Starting in the mid 80s the organization started to undergo some serious issues (breakup of the guru structure/child abuse scandal), and the group really has it’s own history 100% separate from hxc. When the influx of kids started in the early ’90s, the organization really didn’t know how to deal with it – and resultingly really did not capitalize on the population growth. ISKCON is very insular, and ‘temple living’ is basically the only option – and it’s not maintainable for a large population of young people. So 99% of them no longer live in temples.
But since most of these kids spent their formulative adult years surrounded by HK types, they adapted that into their adult lives – most would be considered ‘fringies’ by the organization – visiting during major holidays, etc. They nominally echo the ‘beliefs’, probably self identify as HKs, but they are not participating in the active life of being as HK. Some of them have moved into ad hoc communities – not centered around a temple, but around other ‘fingies’.
From the changes in the mid-80s, ISKCON spawned a few splinter groups that some people have gravitated towards as well. A very few went outside of ISKCON and investigated the larger piece of Hinduism that HKs fit into (called Gaudiya Vaishnavism BTW) and realized what a small, small part in the overall religion of India HK plays.
I didn’t want to get into all this in the post, but I think that covers the basics of what happened to all of them…
ummm the moon IS closer to the earth than the sun is…. or was that a typo?
Typo – I just fixed it – thanks! Good catch… I must have read that 10 times & still missed it…
BLASPHEMY!!! You are in the mode of ignorance! Have you been eating mushrooms?!?!
the sun is closer to the earth coz when you look at it in the sky its bigger…. wait.
great post, no clue about any of this stuff though really.. the whole religion/poverty thing is a great debate i’d like to look more into.. but rich white families from texas are also really religious , atleast in “The Blindside” they were. Someone told me that the more science and technology that is being brought into our lives the less people believe in Christianity, and that throughout the generations religion is decreasing more and more… You think that in a few hundred years we could see there being no more religion?
Lets hope so- fuck yeah rationalism!
Technology will become the new God.
ipads = jesus
108 is the only Krishna band I have liked, and I still like them. That is all.
the fact that you even mentioned baby gopal makes this post rule. haha i forgot about that nonsense!
There’s Christcore, Krishnacore, pissed off Atheists yelling through mics everywhere, but no Jewcore? Muslimcore? Buddhistcore? Actual Hinducore? Why are these religions no represented, not enough suburban white kids?
And Agnosticore could be pretty funny.
Jewcore = sons of abraham, muslimcore = vegan reich. But those are exceptions to the rule. Not sure about muslims, but jews are too smart to waste their youth on music when theres banking to be done!
LOLOLOLOL
I hate to correct the Sarge, but I am pretty sure that Sean Muttaqi (Vegan Reich) didn’t get crazy muslim until after the heyday of Vegan Reich. Their late 90s stuff (non real Vegan Reich IMO) had the more muslim/jihad angle.
Come on brah… You are correct, but dont Rain On The Parade :( lets You And I have a Fastbreak to discuss why Man Is The Bastard who must lean on the crutch of religion. My opinion?? No Comment, and frankly i Despise You!!
lololol
jewcore = vampire weekend
JEWDRIVER!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWnHz8_BoUg
Racetraitor = Muslimcore
anybody remember that vh1 band LIVE from the 90s? weren’t they krishna?
Actually, I think the lead singer is a pretty known xtian? That one song was anti-abortion tho, right (Lightning Strikes??). You might be thinking of the Brit-Pop band Kula Shaker (which I kinda liked), who were def. indian flavored (they used a lot of Krishna imagery) but were never repped by the krishnacore types (surprisingly now that I think of it!)
yeah, i remember wondering if they were krsnas or not at the time, looking into it, and realizing they were just dummies who thought the imagery and ponytails looked cool
Live / PJ Harvey / Veruca Salt @ Jones Beach Amphitheater was the first concert I ever went to. Security made me get down off of the seat. Feelsbadman
i went to that show when it hit salem. it got shut down because it was too loud. the singer of live went on this tirade about lollapalooza and how his tour was the “hottest tour of the summer with three hot bands”. meh!
King, are you or have you ever been a professional educator? This was an enlightening post (bad pun intended) and I learned quite a bit about something im not at all familiar with. I could totally imagine you giving an interesting lecture on hardcore at a community college. Appreciate your work and, as always, looking forward to future posts.
Oh, and the New Beat from a Dead Heart record is hard as fuck. Had no idea 108 were HK till I researched them after the fact. I thought it was a Kung Fu reference.
King, are you or have you ever been a professional educator?
Thanks bro! As Sarge can confirm, I’m actually really self-conscious about writing posts, so I get super stoked when someone likes my work! Maybe if Sarge every gets a SYWH spoken word campus tour or something going…
Had no idea 108 were HK till I researched them after the fact. I thought it was a Kung Fu reference.
Srs hope you read and answer this… what did you make of the sample on the first track (basically opens the album)? I know Rob and I searched hard for a version with an ‘old Indian’ feel – can’t remember if he or I found that sample… sounds so HK to me, so I wonder what someone with no idea of the context thought of it?
I thought it’s combination with that banger of an opening track made a perfect moment of contrast; “the serenity belies the battering about to ensue”..or something. And yes, I did think it sounded like an authentic old recording which added some weight to the moment.
“Declarations..” is actually one of my absolute favorite amp up/fight songs, despite the innerpeace and calm that HK represents. Irony indeed. That’s where the Kung -fu part clicked in my head. This is seriously one of the hardest albums I ever heard, and the lyrics and calm moments, especially that spoken word part, kinda gave the hard parts more gravity. Im a big believer in inner piece through unarmed combat. The discipline of martial arts forges the violence wthin us, which would simply be chaotic if left untempered. At the same time, just doing Katas is tantamount to step aerobics; you really gotta get in someones face and get yours busted to truly understand humility, your limitations, and your capacity to overcome those limits, which is what I think the Arts are really about
As a total outsider to hardcore, I had always thought this was the point of it all: to channel that frustration and aggression of being a scumbag fuckup/bored suburbanite into something positive and useful. Instead, from what I gather, most hxc kids just end up whiny pussies. That polarity seems amplified exponentially in the case of Krishnacore. In a way then, I feel like New Beat is an exemplary/definitive/”perfect” hardcore record.
Sorry to go all tl:dr on you. Its easy to think that the internet is random robot asshole chatter, so its cool when you get that a reminder of humanity. That and im just stoked to realize you played a hand in music I really got something substantial out of (even if maybe It wasnt’t the intended message.) Whatevs. Small world.
Great post! I’ve always wondered how Hare Krishna got mixed with hardcore. I’m too young to have experienced any of this, but I’ve heard Hare Krishna’s used to be all in city’s airports playing shitty music with tambourines, that sounds hilarious. I watched that Shelter “Whole Wide World” music video and got on my knees and thanked the lord I was still a child in the 90′s and did not ever look as retarded as those guys/listen to their shitty music.
Also major lol @
“remember that that abnegation 7 inch with the sample of the aborted fetus’s heart beat”
(!!!!!!!!)
Oh white people and their fascination with foreign religions, as if they somehow have some sort of truth in them because they’re foreign.
Welcome to Whiteville, where anything is “amazing” if its made by poor and/or OTW people
“If you rub poison ivy on your balls for two hours while constantly stuffing various small fishes up your ass, you will be cured of your cancer! I know that it works because the chinese have been doing it for centuries!”
^ this
mode of ignorance would be a great band name.
John Joseph had a band called MOI before he was in the Cro-Mags.
Thank you Krakken, love the post.
If anyone is really interested in the insanity that was/is ISKCON is highly recommend the John Joseph autobiography “The Evolution of a Cro-Magnon”. It’s a really great read and in addition to tons of lulzy ISKCON stories, there is a ton of shit about about drugs, fighting and fucking. Good times!
In terms of Krishnacore, the only tolerable HARDCORE bands from this sub-genre are Inside Out and 108. Even the most recent 108 album was really good (check it out tr00 hardcore fans). I hate to admit it but I do have a soft spot in my hear for Shelter with “Mantra” being my favorite album but it’s definitely more melodic hardcore than the more traditional youth crew hardcore YOT shit. Don’t even get me started on their later pop stuff, as Krakken said unlistenable.
Both Vegan Reich and Race Traitor were two of my favorite bands from that period and both fully deserving of their own post (how about calling it “IHATEWHITEYCORE”).
Stay tuned for post about VR, Racetraitor and all that nonsense!
Inside Out were krishnacore? Really? Does that make Rage Against the Machine krishnu-metal?
I think they were sympathetic – Vic started 108 after Inside Out called it quits, and I think they toured with Shelter (no idea if that’s what kicked things off for Vic – possibly). Maybe I didn’t mention it enough in the post, but there was def. a ‘looking for something deeper’ vibe in HXC back then – kids that wanted something more than SXE…
This of course led into the whole Hardline thing, which was even more obscure than Krishnacore… gawd!
Ps- anyone remember when don fury was on mtv?? I think they showed his little studio (all 200 square feet) when Quicksand was recording there or something
Oh god – why was he ‘the guy’ to record NYHC… really such awful production. The dude just hated drums, right?
I’m sure some internet nerd could tell me *exactly* why Fury recorded hxc sounded a certain way…
great post, i remember all this shit even though I’m from cali and the Krishna-core thing was mostly east coast.
108 is still a good band though!!
oh also ray cappo is a yoga teacher and takes people on yoga retreats to india and shit. There are some lol-worthy youtubes of it floating around
the one of him doing yoga next to a fountain by the side of the road in Burbank or whatever is my personal favorite
this cat said BABY GOPAL lol
As far as I know, Keith from Cause for Alarm was into Krishna way before that shelter stuff. I also heard that Rip Torn was his father in law or some shit like that?
Best krishna record that wasn’t mentioned: Antidote – Thou Shalt Not Kill 7″.
Very cool post. Yeah, KrishnaCore is a strange duck, huh? I’m actually working on an article on this for a collection on hardcore, metal, and other “aggressive music” due out in 2012.
For stuff about Inside Out and Krishna, seek out the radio interview the band did not too long after “No Spiritual Surrender” on KXLU. It’s available via torrents and mediarapidfireshare-type sites.
I think Refuse to Fall predates 108, at least the release of the 7″ on Equal Vision. I’d have to check through my collection, but I think so. I agree that the 108 guys are really nice guys. Ray is also a really nice guy (although he intimidated the fuck out of me when I was young… I’m , he’s Ray of Today!). I went to high school with Prema, so I am biased and still love their first CD.
I’m from Philly, so we had a lot of Shelter and Krishna-influenced hard core in the area when I was in high school. Although it was strange (especially to outsiders who still ask me “that’s a thing?” when I bring up Krishna Conscious Hardcore music), I never felt brainwashed or otherwise indoctrinated. And they fed us a lot. So that was cool.
This post introduced me to your site… reading through the site now. I don’t get rockabilly either.
great comment, thanks!
speaking of Prema and Philly, literally the only person i have ever met in my life who liked them was Anthony Green from Saosin/Circa Survive (and a philly native) haha
dude, C’MON. both the demo and “pebble” were awesome. great live band w/ either drummer, also.
Great article, King! Never realize Krishnas and hardcore had such an intimate relationship. This must have been truly the height of the No Fun Club scene in Hardcore!
between the krsnas and the PC Patrol, it was pretty unbearable if you liked fun
“HARE KRISHNA stay away… cause 18 bands are gonna playyy”
Krishna kids would have their food and mescaline laced corn-bread set up in Tompkins Sq Park in the mid-80′s… Harley would come to shows at CB’s with his pitbulls and plaid golf pants looking pretty crazy.. Used to be some static btwn the Krishnas & NYHC kids in that time period too. I don’t remember the details, would love to hear someone elaborate on it, cause it involved some of the ‘godfathers’ of nyhc.. fistfights btwn Harley & Stigma, Bloodclot vs Roger…
king kraken, you need to do some more research before you post these “knowledge dropping” articles! here are some corrections and comments.
-cause for alarm were around before the cro-mags, their 7″ came out in 83. members of CFA may have been into HK but they weren’t pushing it the same way that Shelter was heavily promoting it.
-Antidote were not really a “krishna band”. their 7″ may have had that HK karma illustration on the cover, but songs like “foreign job lot” are hardly HK material. btw, that 7″ rules.
- i guess you could file HK under the broad umbrella of “No Fun Club” in the 90s, but there were several facets of NFC. the real Heartattack/ebullition/SF style NFC were definitely NOT down for HK because the NFC people were vehmently anti-religious. maybe some of the hardline NFC kids were pro-religion but in for all those white belt goleta vegans, HK represented something that “doesn’t belong in hardcore”
- from what i have heard, the majority of hardline kids in UT in the 90s were not actually Mormon or even raised mormon.. which seems kinda weird, but whatever.
- stuff recorded at Don Fury’s studio sounds awesome! anyone who says otherwise has probably been listening to pro-tools recorded, over-compressed, brickwalled mp3s played on computer speakers, iphones and crappy earbuds.
- also, the Shelter LP was not recorded at don fury’s studio! it was recorded (mostly live) at the Anthrax as a project band with members of 76% Uncertain backing Ray of Yesterday. the song “shelter” was recorded at fury’s, and that song is a weird slow jam anyway.
- inside out were not “krishna-core”. i guess you could say they were sympathetic to some of the general “spirituality” of HK, but despite Vic’s connections to HK – as a band, they never openly pushed HK in a literal form. like, Zack and Sterling weren’t recruiting people for ISKON. i think vic started his Enquirer fanzine after IO was broken up. lots of other bands in that era like Eye For An Eye or Kingpin also had similar “spiritual” attitudes without being considered “krishna-core”.
- Refuse to fall definitely pre-date 108. RTF were pretty much broken up by the time 108 was going full steam.
Great comment! But, most of what you seem to cover comes from other people’s comments, and not my article? I pretty clearly state Shelter/Ray kicked off Krishnacore, even though ‘HK influenced bands’ were around before? The Shelter album I was talking about (again, pretty clearly stated) was ‘Attaining the Supreme’, which most def. was recorded at Fury’s studio. Also read my comments on Inside Out – I rather clearly state exactly what you said?!? Does anyone really care that Refuse to Fall released before 108? Who even remembers RTF?!? I mention Shelter then 108 because those are the two bands anyone that reads this *might* have heard of.. the rest are complete third stringers…
stuff recorded at Don Fury’s studio sounds awesome! anyone who says otherwise has probably been listening to pro-tools recorded, over-compressed, brickwalled mp3s played on computer speakers, iphones and crappy earbuds.
Srs? I’m not saying bands didn’t get what they paid for, but it sounds terrible. Again, I think Shelter sounded *better* in this production environment – Ray sounds immediate in the first 3 Shelter albums – but it’s by no means ‘good’.
king kraken, you need to do some more research before you post these “knowledge dropping” articles! here are some corrections and comments.
And just a final note – we/I do these articles for entertainment and 99% from memory – I’m not a fuckin’ college professor giving a seminar – have some fun, have some laughs & enjoy it! I’m sure you ‘need to have the last word’, and since I maybe didn’t emphasize some obscure point enough I’m ‘worse than 1000 Hitlers’, but it’s all good!
i love it when upper middle class white kids start bands and make soundtracks for their identity crises. I remember when the singer of a friends band showed up to practice with tulasi beads. that was fucking funny.
I remember as a kid my (Indian, Hindu) dad would take me and my sis to the HK temple. He thought their beliefs were a load of shit, but they had free food and we were poor.
I lived in the Philly HK temple in the early 90′s-( Equal Vision Records was also being run out of the temple then)..I think people forget that Vic (Vraja Kishor) was in Shelter for the first couple Shelter releases and he toured with them..but, it was when Porcell (Paramananda) moved into the temple that kids started to really show up, hang out and when Shelter really took off…in the beginning, kids came because of Ray (Raghunath) and the YOT/straight-edge thing–some stuck around, took the philosophy serious for awhile–most moved on to other cliques…Shelter/108 toured extensively in ’93 and ’94…as for Prema, they were just a high-energy band, not very talented–and Mikey would stage dive off anything..they were all high school kids then…like most “scenes” in hardcore/punk, KCore just got clique-y and exclusive after awhile and then…..it stopped being trendy..
Krishnacore is lulzy, but I am glad everyone can agree that 108 fucking jams. Seriously love that band
Can there also be an article about how Chokehold basically just said fuck you to all the no-fun super conservative bands?