Anon asked: What’s your take on ancientfag hardcore, e.g. negative approach, necros, void, other bands record collectors like?
In a nutshell, when I meet someone under 35ish who is into this stuff, I feel the same way as when I meet some poor little kid who is like 14 and into collecting antique train whistles. He’s probably a really smart, sweet kid, but I can’t help but shake my head and be like “Dude WTF are you doing holed up in the basement with this shit, why aren’t you playing Xbox and skateboarding behind 7-11 like everyone else your age?!”
I’m ashamed to say that I still want to bedroom-mosh everytime I hear SOA “I Hate The Kids”
The tricky thing is that unlike a lot of dumb older shit that kids these days jock, these bands are actually pretty sweet so I can’t totally write them off the same way I can as when kids fap over shitty 90s skram bands and other stuff that is only good if you are blinded by nostalgia. Anybody who has decent taste in hardcore would say that Negative Approach, SOA and Poison Idea are sweet, I just don’t understand how a 16 year-old in 2011 could really identify with it given that most of the lyrics are a product of a cultural context that existed 20 years before they were born and objectively the speaking the music is shit. I guess it would be sort of like some 45 year-old dad being super into The Maine or Cute Is What We Aim For? [in b4 pot calling the kettle black] I mean, I started listening to hardcore in 1989 and even *I* feel like I’m a little too young to be into RECORDCOLLECTORCORE.
“Ready To Fight” is one of those songs where the many covers of it are better than the original
Which brings me to the larger topic of record collecting in general, which is right up there with Real Dolls, grown men who play Japanese dating sims, and Civil War reenactments in terms of shameful beta hobbies. It was bad enough in the 80s and 90s, when vinyl was actually a semi-viable medium for distributing music, and the only weird part was where you spend your free time going through boxes of dusty 7″s instead of trying to get laid, but it’s even more groce now that physical media are dead. Being a record collector these days means you are half hoarder, half Ren Faire weirdo who is clinging to an increasingly distant past because coming to terms with the present is too scary.
What is your favorite RECORDCOLLECTORCORE band?? What do you think about people who are under 35 and fap over Poison Idea 7″s????? Are The Meatmen RECORDCOLLECTORCORE? Did you ever collect records???
Used to be into collecting but I sold almost all of it. Kept a rare version of Walk Among Us and a few others.
Why would I collect music when I have Spotify?
^ THIS
(athough I have collected my fair share of oldfag hc) (srs)
Question: in 2011, is there still a distinction between straight up vinyl record collectors and ppl who download pretty much everything but occasionally buy a cd if they really like the band? I don’t give a fuck about vinyl or collecting, but at this point having any physical music at all in my house is starting to make me feel old and gross
AlSO, when are people going to stop calling them “records”? (eg “i love that new Autopsy record” ect ect) I can’t stand that shit
I call them records still because they’re, ya know, recordings. Therefore they are records no matter what format…
“I just don’t understand how a 16 year-old in 2011 could really identify with it given that most of the lyrics are a product of a cultural context that existed 20 years before they were born and objectively the speaking the music is shit.”
Lyrics are by far the least important aspect of music. It’s loud and fast angry music that’s great to mosh to. What’s not to love about it? Most music that kids like nowdays are also objectively shit. However, record collectors are indeed pretentious assholes.
“Lyrics are by far the least important aspect of music.”
This is actually incorrect and a big part of what seperates the hardcore and metal scenes. Lyrics matter quite a bit in hardcore/punk, and much less in metal. Any assholes can write a hardcore song because it’s relatively simple, lyrics are one of the few defining factors for a band. In metal you don’t actually need lyrics, you just need vocals (via slam & grind).
I could probably go further into this, but it is what it is.
Also music being objectively shit is the dumbest fucking thing ever. There is no such thing, as music is entirely subjective (deal w/ it nerd).
And aren’t you like in your 20′s talking shit about “kids nowadays”? You need to get over that shit bro, just saying. I don’t like plenty of music that’s come out in every time period, but I have no illusions that kids nowadays are the same as they were in the late 90′s when I was their age and everybody was into boy/girl groups with synchronized dancing in tech vests and Limp Bizkit.
I like the idea of vinyl, not to listen to but more hang up in my house one day…
Wouldn’t necesarily buy it to listen to it though..
I don’t get the people that say vinyl is waaaaay better to listen to than cd’s. Next it will be cd’s are the cool thing as they are waaaaay better than downloads or some retarded logic.
This. Just give it 10 – 20 years and hipster kids will have big CD collections and walk around with a 1980′s portable CD player on display for everyone to see how retro they are.
in b4 hipsters have ironic Zunes
um, i’ve been ironically using a zune long before it was cool… *hipstercat.jpeg*
http://social.zune.net/member/DIK%20McKOK
- long time reader here
I went through a phase in high school of almost exclusively listening to punk with really shitty recordings, cos y’know, if they can afford a descent recording they can’t possibly be angry and DIY enough.
I never collected records though, I bought things that only came out on record but I never went out of my way to chase down records that are older than me.
Reading this article, I had a thought. Our grandkids are gonna think we’re weird as shit with our mountains of CDs, or maybe even with our iPods, after the iPod becomes outdated and we start listening to music on toast or something.
‘Ah, iPods. Back in the day we had to actually bittorrent the music, from the internet, then upload it into our iTunes, then sync our iPods. It was a simpler time…’
I collect records today. My parents ONLY listened to their record, and very little radio, as we lived in the middle of buck fuck nowhere, and the stations cut out easily.
So, i just sorda fell into it cuz it was something that me and my parents related to lol it blew their minds when i brought home DEP’s Option Paralysis, and it was a clear album lol they lost it hahahaha
Now, I occasionally buy records here and there from new bands, and even some older ones that ive delved into, like mr bungle, and van halen :P
what?
im not a pretentious asshole! I DONT EVEN TELL PEOPLE!
Not a big rare record collector myself, but one of my biggest dreams is getting my hands on a physical copy of No Comment’s DOWNSIDED 7″.
http://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?pagenum=1&searchtext=no+comment+downsided&incldescr=&sortord=ddate&thumbs=&currsel=
No offense dude, but your biggest dream is obtainable for like $50 tops…
Having a black and white opinion about something like this is stupid. Sometimes I want a real cd just because I do, sometimes I don’t give a shit. I don’t understand what it is with people these days and always needing everything to be either “I do this all the time” or “I never do this”. Not just with this particular topic, but with anything (partying, watching TV shows, whatever). Why not just make the decision based on how you feel about the specific thing, instead of lumping things into piles of “I do this” or “I don’t do this”? Am I making any sense?
Although I will say that vinyl “collectors” are insufferable for the most part, that’s totally true and I back everything said regarding that 100%.
I have a car with a CD player and I still have a bunch of CDs from the early 00′s that I like (good dinosaur metal, my first hardcore purchases) so I buy a handful of records for the car every year. I hear what you’re saying and sometimes I enjoy having a physical copy. The art, the car stereo jamming, it’s nice.
orchid/jeromes dream split 7″ 4 lyffff
too bad it’s a 10″ fag.
I’m ambivalent about this one. On the one hand, it is a pretty cool way to support a band in an age where physical media is quickly becoming obsolete. The whole shebang of new records that the “underground” puts out tends to be of very high quality and they put a lot of effort in to them. I dont think it is much different than buying a tshirt. I’ve spent a few bucks on vinyl in my time and you can get some cool stuff for not too much.
On the other hand, like any other nerdy hobby it is really easy to find a way to be an annoying dick about it. I guess that as long as you are having fun with collecting records than it is cool, but if you are a vinyl elitist and complain about downloading music or whatever then you are a jerk.
IMO it’s like anything else: nothing wrong with buying a few records (or even a lot of records) and having fun with it, the issue is when you become a Record Collector and your whole identity revolves around what pressing of some shitty Life Blood record you own
Bingo.
Mediafire shits on records. i would probs buy records produced by rza fof extra grain effect ha. but srsly like negative approach and most of old hxc but yeah the lyrics are irrelevant to my age group (23ish) see Reagan Youth’s name haha. respect those old bands but couldnt give 2 shits unless it gets on my ipod or has sick coverwork
^ backed hard, all of the above. You try Spotify? It’s even more awesome than mediafire– doesn’t have all the super obscure stuff some people want, but it has just about everything I want and can access anything in your itunes, so if theres anything missing you can always mediafire it anyway.
listening to NA on spotify right now. the sound quality cant differ much from their vinyl to the ‘total recall’ cd, which sounds like it was recorded in the engine room of a container ship.
as much as i love NA i wouldnt spend $45 for the ‘tied down’ ep on vinyl…
Record collectors suck. The popularity of colored vinyl is annoying, because they have to put dye and shit in it to make it look that way.. When I’m at a show and go to a merch table to pick up the 7″ or something of a band I just heard that I like, but see that what they have out is colored vinyl, I specifically ask for black. It always confuses them. My explanation is always the same – “I buy records to listen to them.”
Btw the main reason I listen to vinyl is because I “took the blue pill” and found enough of a difference between an mp3 and a CD and a record (IF it’s recorded by analog…) to affect my enjoyment of an album. Kinda sucks to get sucked into being an audiophile, but that doesn’t mean I don’t have a Spotify subscription…
Doh, I forgot to say that the dye in the vinyl affects the sound quality.
Think about moving into a new house.
I’d rather bring spotifycore.
I’m a pretentious asshole, and so was Pig Champion. I think I like it that way, although my wife could do without the records taking up so much space.
okay, i am one of those weird kids who likes buying CDs cos i like having physical media. i think its cool to actually have something to hold/see, also i hear that bands like it? anyway, i like cds, not vinyl. CDs i can put in the computer and rip, i can also play em in my car, and there’s also the option of sharing em with friends. but vinyl seems inconvenient to me… it baffles me why cool bands (i.e. Trash Talk, Black Face, etc) put out their new EPs on vinyl. why does this STILL happen, in today’s world? its like they only want nerds even bigger than me to buy their stuff. or worse, hipsters…. the only folks i know with actual record players are hipsters.
also, i have a zune which i love. and i’m no hipster
is anybody going to address the original topic, which is kids being into Negative Approach and Necros??
i asked the question, so i will!
i’m 22. what i like about hardcore is it’s immediacy, and with a lot of these recordcollectorcore bands, what i’m immediately struck by is how shitty and limp the recordings sound. record collectors like that amateur quality (i got into that crap for a bit, but no more), but it just reminds me of some novelty/dr. demento-type record, not something that makes me wanna rip someone’s face off.
i legitimately love negative approach, but even with them it took me a while to adapt to how antiquated it sounds. i respect bands like the necros, but like you were saying, i feel like i’m way too young for it.
i like thos bands but im old, from michigan, and have a brother who is even older than me (like 39 or something!!).
if i was 17 and from alberta would i like the necros and meatmen and NA? idk. as it stands, i like early Who and love black sabbath and the rolling stones, so who knows?
I think something worth noting with respect to my age range (early to mid 20s) getting into recordcollectorcore, is that the book “American Hardcore” came out right when we were in that 15-17 year old age range, in which it’s easy to become absolutely obsessed with a genre or scene. That book was, as far as I know, the first publication that really brought a huge amount of information on all these early 80s hardcore bands (and their complete discographies) together in one place, and that book, combined with the internet, made it easy for young punk kids just starting to get bored with their Sex Pistols and Casualties patches to latch onto old hardcore in a big way. Having lived in two area where the 80s-hardcore revival thing is huge, it seems like seemingly everybody around my age has read or at least glanced that book from time to time. I truly didn’t think the word “hardcore” represented any kind of music other than Hatebreed or Earth Crisis prior to reading “American Hardcore”. Of course, now that you have Spotify, Pandora (or not Pandora? I’m out of touch about these things) and Wikipedia, reading books that publishes entire discographies and band bios are pretty irrelevant. But I know that book definitely made an impact on the rise of Recordcollectorcore in the early 2000s.
that might have something to do with it.
i worked at a golf course one summer, and one of the pros told me i should check out hardcore after he watched the american hardcore documentary. really surreal!
Lolz! Yeah my biggest issue with American Hardcore is that it proclaimed a “death of the scene” in the most obnoxious way, so when I talk to people who don’t really know shit who’ve seen it I get a lot of “well hatebreed/terror aren’t hardcore, they’re metal”, “madball/af/soia were around then, but it doesn’t really count now somehow because blah blah blah”. Like hardcore somehow died in the 90′s and wasn’t the jump off point and influence for a ton of changes in modern music (gang vox/breakdowns/street influence being obvious examples), along with metal (blast beats/double bass action/gutturals etc.)
But they don’t want to talk about music and scenes evolving through the years, they want to talk about the little self-contained bubbles they were into and nostalgia about it. It’s the same as every IMN faggot talking shit about every band made in the last 10 years as though they aren’t “real metal” because “real metal” only includes 90′s death metal and 80′s thrash somehow.
the punchline is that when SOIA and Madball came out, the previous generation of oldfags accused them of being “metal”
madball wasn’t around then, neither was sick of it all.
gang vocals were around during the 70s.
what the hell is “street influence”?
breakdowns were invented by black sabbath
go get some more tattoos on your knuckles, dork.
Sounds liek u ‘really know what ur talking about’
I had no idea colored vinyl affected the sound quality of an album. The more you know.
Negative Approach rules, and while the lyrics may be dated and tied very strictly to a social climate that pre-dates these kids’ birth, it’s the sentiment that they can relate to.
Collecting records of bands you really enjoy rules, doing it to up your crucial hxc cred is dumb.
Collecting records take up way too much space and the sound gets too easily warped. The only cool thing about owning physical media is checking out the thank yous in the liner notes.
I turned 30 a few months ago, so most of the “recordcollectorcore” bands were out sometime between right before i was born and when I was like 4 years old. Some of it isn’t necessarily related to my lifestyle, but a lot of the music is about frustration and anger anyway so anyone (at any time) could relate to it.
I collect records (and zines) because I enjoy doing it. I am a big fan of the music and like to preserve the stuff. I’m sure people think that’s faggy, but I don’t think I’m personally bothering anyone by doing it.
My favorite band in this “genre” is Poison Idea (hence my username).
Would it be beta to say that my Life’s Blood 7″ is first press and that I’ve owned several copies of “Downsided”? :)
I owned the Life’s Blood 7″ at some point (didn’t really like it, though) and owned two copies of Downsided, both of which I bought when it first came out :(
i own every record mentioned in the original post. does that make me a douche? what if i spent $200 total on them (bought them all in the 90s – still not 35 yet either), and keep them because the music still rages?
Addressing some comments people made about having the physical thing, I think CDs only exist for bands to sell at shows and for people to buy with a shirt to support the band. And so the band can sign it, I downloaded all of the Cancer Bats album Birthing the Giant on limewire (RIP limewire, miss you) then went to a show and bought the album so they could sign it, and to get something to eat afterwards. Also bought them a DVD, I think it was called Attack of the Toaster…
record collecting rules!! you can call me a hipster all day long ..how much money are you getting when you go to turn in those awesome cds of yours when you decide “the shit isnt cool anymore”?? you jelly cause i could run up a fat bar tab and fuck your mother in the process off the sale of just one vinyl i paid no more than $10 for originally???or how bout getting(economic) revenge on the Japanese for pearl harbor every time i put something on ebay?? or how bout i just like the big artwork,supporting bands for their actual music and the filthy analog sound!!
and yes me and my friends judge each others manhood off the percentage of the agathocles discography we own!!!
Give me one example of a dated lyric by Negative Approach.
Yeah, this. Callin’ BS on this whole post. Ninja must be straight trollin’ to post up with some bullshit like that. I won’t go to bat for some generation of music that had ended years before I was born… But the NA (studio) discography is timeless. So is a lot of the music he seems to think sounds “ancient.” Dude is either trollin’ or too self-conscious about what he likes and doesn’t like. If you would rather listen to some skullfucking mallgoth glam metal band, all the more power to you, but don’t try to project some shit onto me. Just because some douches are privileged and shallow enough to parlay legit good music into a bullshit reenactor “lifestyle,” that’s not all of us. I just happen to like this shit. How you just happen to like your shit.
Poison Idea’s “Feel The Darkness” is classic, first got into via an Epitaph Punk-O-Rama comp.
This post made me remember how much it sucked to be into old school hardcore in the second half of the eighties: The pressings of a lot of the records from the beginning of the decade had already been sold for years and the only way to get a hold of the music was to get in contact with one of those recordcollector types … and they wanted either some other ultra-rare disc (that not even the ex-bandmembers owned) or a small fortune for their stuff; questions like “hey bro, can you make me a tape copy of that second SS Decontrol 12 inch?” were regularly ignored. – Thank goodness the internet destroyed their monopoly.
I still like a lot of the stuff from back then, most bands get named quite a lot (Siege, Void, Black Flag …) – with one exception: Bl’ast! from Santa Cruz. They seem to be largely forgotten, although they were the best Black Flag worship by a long shot (with an incredibly powerful production to boot).
What’s always funny are the youtube-comments from hardcore olds who are stangry that kids today don’t worship some band that disbanded a quarter of a century ago … although I love early eighties hardcore, a lot of it simply sounds ancient by today’s standards – like Elvis in Sun Studio or something sounded to me back then.
If I see a record I like on vinyl, I’ll get it. The only records I actively sought after are Morrissey records. I’m a total Morrissey fanboy.
This post inspired me to start putting my records up on eBay. Profits will be directed right into my stock portfolio.
records yield greater returns than stocks these days.
I have an extensive collection of old klezmer 78s
other than that I have two crates of records. a pretty narrow cross section of genres. I have a couple of public enemy records I’m fond of. the rest are artists that I have seen live and enjoyed. there are a lot of hardcore seven inches of bands that I saw or played with starting from 94 through 2005. tons of bands. none of them sound alike, but all would be considered hardcore. I guess sub genres weren’t as defined back then.
Lol, Guilty. Before I collected music it was comic books, before that it was baseball cards. I was never any good at video games, terrible at sports and I was rather socially inept as a boy. That being said, collecting was a way to shut out the world. It was just me, my allowance and my possessions. Pretty chiche.
Grown-up and ironed out, I feel that my record collection is less of an introverted obsession and more of a harmless hobby. It doesn’t drain my bank account. It has not grown to into something that’s taking over my house. I’m picky with what I purchase and never buy things on sheer “collectibility”. My girlfiend hates listening me nerd out, but thats ok…i hate when she talks to me about shoes. Besides, records sound better, and that’s that.
As far as “collectorcore”, In have always thought that hardcore sounded best in the days it was concieved and I don’t notice a true disconnect in my age (30) and that music. The first punk bands I ever heard were from that era or before, so anything from ’76-’84 I tend to like…or at least give a chance. I think its strange that most kids into punk and hardcore today dont know Black Flag lyrics, or never had the Minor Threat discography (The fact that they arent familiar with the aformentioned records, the “Queer Pills” ep or the “This is Boston not LA” comp (etc) is irrelevant to me).
Fav “collectorcore” band: KORO
…and the Madball version of that song is just plain terrible. come on man.
I will admit that I occasionally bedroom mosh to old Void tracks. Feelsgoodman.jpg
i hate records. they’re inconvenient, take up too much space, not portable, expensive, and easy to fuck up.
some bands are only putting their music out on record, which is super annoying, but i like Deep Sleep so much i bought a fucking record player so i could buy their 45s.
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i was born in ’92 and find older hardcore like void, negative approach and SSD to be waaaay more relatable than any altpress/warped tour/b9 band i’ve ever heard. With the exceptions of future phones and the internet, i don’t think the experience of your average “weird” kid has changed very much at all. Whatever. I’m moshing.
You’re not thinking like a kid, that’s the problem.
Teenagers listening to simplistic, agro, wad-blowing songs about fighting, parental disconnects, “the pigs”, hanging out, drinking, not drinking, fucking chicks, skating, hating your job…etc all of which written by OTHER TEENAGERS is perfectly logical, regardless of when these songs were written. For every song about “reaganomics” there are ten others about topics any like-minded kid in any decade could relate to in some way.
Besides, music has no “objective” standard, and young kids focusing on such ridiculous concepts is much more depressing to ponder.