SYWH FAQs: What bands/genres do you hate??

From my inbox:

Hey Sarge, commenter Midas Welby here with a serious question: I love the site and have, like others, come to accept others’ tastes more and accept the existence of bands I have no interest in rather than wish for their deaths. It’s a big step! I get a feeling from your posts and a lot of the comments that others are on the same path of acceptance but it’s a hard slog at times.

My question is this: have you truly reached hater nirvana or are there some bands/artists that still grind your gears no matter how well-lubed your butt is? For me it’s lesbian/vegan Canadian twin sourpusses Tegan and Sara, aka The Bitchy-looking One and The Extra Bitchy-looking One.

Keep up the great work on the site and, as always, PLEASE RESPOND.

Since I’ve gotten several questions like this recently, I figured it was worth answering in a post. But before I do, I would like to make a couple points:

  1. Wood probs smash the one cute bish from Tegan And Sara (even tho lesbot)
  2. Caring about anything is gay. So, when I say that I ‘hate’ a given genre, what I really mean is that it makes me mildly annoyed. I do not care nearly enough about music for it to cause me the extreme buttpain experienced by IMNs and other pathetic people who care about stuff.
  3. It is impossible for me to decouple the aesthetic qualities of a genre (ie how it sounds) from the people/culture that make up the genre’s fanbase.

Fig 1: Theoretical model
While it is impossible to adequately summarize my incredibly nuanced, richly detailed and absolutely unique musical opinions, this three-dimensional chart is my best attempt at doing so. Lettuce examine it in detail: The Y axis represents how I feel about the music itself on a purely aesthetic level, from love to hate, and on the X axis we have my love or hate for the genre’s fans. Finally, a colored square shows how I feel about the genre as a whole: red, yellow or green.

There are other factors that can affect my opinion of a genre (such as quality of merch or whether it is loved or hated by fans of a genre I hate), but for the purposes of this post I have simplified things. In a future post, I may attempt to construct a function to model it more completely (like S=Lf2+Bk+.75Bd, where S is how stoked I am, Lf is amount of leggings worn by fans, Bk is breakdowns per song and Bd is frequency of bass drops).

Fig 2: What I think about stuff
Last but not least, the answer to OP’s question. Please do not nitpick this chart (“WTF u hate crust more than ponytail metal?? I thot u were punx!!!”) or try to convince me that I should like something that I do not (“but sargant d if u don’t liek [fggt's pet genre] u hate fun!”). This is not a debate, and if your butt hurts because of my musical opinions then you have much bigger problems than defending ikeacore.

How do YOU decide what you like and what you hate?? What genres cause the most pain in your anus? Did u get mad when you saw that your favorite, gay little genre was yellow/red on my chart??

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170 Responses to SYWH FAQs: What bands/genres do you hate??

  1. Anonymous says:

    Whenever I see that Sarge has made some charts for a post, it makes me excited. Also, has the amount of reminders not to be whiny spiked a little recently, or am I just tripping?

  2. Jonnyfilth says:

    I’m guessing Tr00 pop punk is so far to the left and bottom that you couldn’t fit it on the chart

  3. Outbackcore says:

    Oh so the wigger slam posts weren’t irronic? My mistake

    There are over 1000 genre’s that end in “core”, y u only cover 7 ??????!!!?!?!?!?

    My chart would have Music love as one axis and music msg as the other (srs)

  4. FUZZY PICKLES says:

    Hit the nail on the head with hate/hate in Quadrant III!

    genre that rubs my anus the wrong way: REGGAE :|
    cant rlly explain why i hate it

  5. Wang of thunder says:

    What about thrash revival and dubstep?

  6. Void Eater says:

    You like srscore fans? Surprising, that that would fit perfectly in Quadrant II. What quadrant would thrash metal go in?? Guessing far left in Quadrant II, yellow, and very near the X axis?

  7. fuzz says:

    idk, like most people I’ve never really liked indie fggts. Frankly, though, despite the fact that the music of any indie fggt band is boring and indistinguishable from any other indie fggt band, I really don’t mind the music. What really pains my glute is the pretentiousness of the people who MAKE the music and that despite the attempts of indie fggts to be unique and artsy or whatever, I cannot tell any of these bands apart. I could be listening to Tegan and Sara, or I could be listening to Mother Mother for all I know (sad 4 myself that I am actually aware of some of these bands :\)

  8. freftd says:

    Dont really hate anything, but i do hate burzum and burzum fans, im only human.

  9. Walker says:

    1) these chart posts are some of the best, would like to see more.

    2) it seems like the genres you hate the most are the ones with image obsessed fans. the biggest fashion show genres attract the snobbiest douchebags!

    3) Ive thought about this, and the only real genre of music i actively do not like (as opposed to don’t listen to and am indifferent about) is singer/songwriter stuff. it has a myriad of horrible features: a) obnoxious, self-centred and humorless performers b) fawning fanbase filled with white knights trying to put the performers on a pedestal and tell them how special they are

    3A) I do recognize that there are some talented singer/songwriters who have some good ideas and aren’t whiny dicks. there are also two especially awful subgenres: vagina music and plinky-plonky simp-pop. vagina music= female singer/songwriters especially made for lesbians (srs), featuring superlatively humorless artists and fanbase, and an endless amount of sappy, whiny songs about how the whole world is out to get you. plinky-plonky simp-pop is stuff like jason mraz that has that ultra-dopey plinky-plonky guitar sound ( http://youtu.be/EkHTsc9PU2A ). for some reason this music just sounds…stupid, as in for stupid people, to me.

  10. Waltertheeinsteinfrog says:

    I dunno what skramz fans are like now, I assume they are 12 and only exist in foreign countries, but the OG screamo scene was filled entirely with humorless try hard pricks that were zero fun to be around.

  11. Butts says:

    Thats a two-dimensional scalar field not three-dimensional. But anything that expresses how horrific rockabilly fans are is good in my book.

  12. beholdthesharktopus says:

    YOUR OPINION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN MY PERSONAL TASTE PLEASE VALIDATE ME LIKING MY FAVORITE BAND.

  13. DudeBro says:

    You should of done a principle coordinate analysis on how well your love for one genre correlates with another.

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  15. steez Messiah says:

    I hate dubstep, most country, modern pop, most metal that isn’t slam or hipster black metal (mainly to piss off metalheads even more), and post-hardcore.

  16. inb4today says:


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  17. inb4today says:

    but for cereal, according to that formula there needs to be a genre that’s mostly Indie (leggings) with some risecore (bassdrops) and rose funeral (breakdowns)

  18. Save Parker says:

    Yes, love charts to create the illusion of science. Always funny and useful.

    I don’t really care about the fans of a genre, but only music I can never stand is 80′s metal. There are country songs I’d love and crust shit I could deal with, and no matter how bad the genre there’s usually a band that could do something decent with it. Except 80′s metal for me. Just makes me cringe and complain.

  19. grammarxcore says:

    but sargant d if u don’t liek [early Solid State and early aughties christmoshcore] u hate fun!

  20. SalviBro says:

    I love korn limp bIzkit merauder biohazard and slipknot and hate every faggot thats ina band full of tattoos screaming their guts out spoutig out non sense and bros hardcore dancing

  21. mayo says:

    if you don’t liek Del Amitri ur a huge fggt!

  22. Chillin' says:

    Wondering, what’s with the hate of “Faux-Irish Punk” (guessing you mean stuff like Dropkick Murphy’s)? I associate it with The Departed and just getting drunk to dumb punk music with a dumb, drunk, exaggerated Irish-folk feel, so for me it isn’t anything bad or good.

    I wish I had a personal scale too. Sometimes I really have a hankering for pretentious, avant-garde projects with odd goals or even super-generic post-rock, even if it gets boring real fast. Even music that doesn’t make sense a-la Butthole Surfer is good at times for me. Can even get behind shitty, fossil punk at times. Just jam out to the sheer energy of those bands, even if their ethos is shit (lol @ any1 can express themselves, even if they have no talent!)

    The genres I hate by fans though are definitely punk and metal though. Especially people who worship The Sex Pistols and Black Fag. God, I only play Sex Pistols because it’s so bad and obnoxious it’s funny.

  23. eurotrash says:

    hate / hate: psy-trance, dragonslayer metal, anything Jamaican (for the record, I hate white euro hippies with smelly dreads and faux-edgy skapunk fggts, not actual Jamaicans), nazi pub rock (it’s a thing where I live), drone, noise
    hate fans / meh music: bedroom pop, euro hipster electro (some tunes are absolute bangers tho), world music
    silly losers / meh music: gabber, dark, goth, industrial
    pathetic losers / meh music: prog, fusion, trad rock
    great fans / meh music: americana, country, trad blues (these genres attract awesome weirdos in my experience)
    hate fans / great music: rap, extreme metal
    great fans / great music: hardcore, post-hardcore, house, dubstep

    The rest: too much meh.

  24. Boris says:

    I am disappoint that you hate crust. Also, semi-legitimate question, why is crust hated and Entomed-core indifferent when they’re basically the same thing? One just has more British people and the other more Swedes. I can get not liking crusties though, those guys are like hippies who decided patched up black jeans and beating the shit out of each other were cool.

  25. MasterSlave says:

    I HATE Australian pub rock like the Angels and Jimmy Barnes. FUCK THAT SHIT WITH A PITCHFORK

    Also hate pop music… in the specific context of the gym. Just totally ruins my mindset

    • Jonnyfilth says:

      Aussie Hip Hop takes the cake bro.
      99% of it is terrible and 100% of its tr00 fans are complete absolute pieces of shit, no exceptions.

      Hate / hate, extreme bottom left

      • Sven McSven says:

        Fuck yes. Couldn’t agree more. Every festival is getting ruined by all the Hilltop Hoods and Bliss n’ Eso loving fggts with Southern Cross tattoos and dirty gangas. Literally wasted something like two hours at the last GTM (“country town” music festival) with a mate sitting on a hill watching Bliss n’ Eso fuck up everything that I love. Fuck them and their fans.

        Also completely indifferent to Aussie dad rock. Boring as shit.

        • Sergeant D says:

          I hung out with Bliss N Eso in the parking lot of a Twiztid/Kottonmouth Kings show last year. Dont really know who they are but they were real chill guys, seemed cool.

        • Sven McSven says:

          I’ve figured that all you need to do to realise how retarded the entire Aussie scene is, is listen to 360. Srs, can’t rap for shit, but he’s always topping the charts.

      • Walker says:

        Same with NZ hip hop, 99% unlistenable songs with hilarious videos where Samoan rappers have their entire gigantic (in weight and numbers) extended family in them for inexplicable reasons. And then there are a few gems, like Swing by Savage, which was like 5 years ahead of its time and is still a fucking banger.

      • Feathered_Derpent says:

        brb getting hilltop hoods tattoo and a white baseball cap before drinking wine out of a sack and vomit in your letter box.

      • Lionel Richie says:

        This comment brought a tear to my eye, so true, so fucking true.

  26. Anonymous says:

    that’s a limited cross section of music brah.

  27. XheartburnX says:

    I’m glad there is a graph. It makes it more scientific. Science is %90 graphs/charts. %8 facts and 2% lab coats. Keep up the good sciencing, Dr. D.

  28. Ben says:

    I wouldn’t say I hate any genre really but most frustrating has to be tech death. Some of those bands can have parts of their songs that’re really great but only stick to it for about 4 seconds before they decide to do some boring “look what I can I do” bull-shit.

    • LC says:

      I know that feel

      The prize for tech death that averts that, to me, goes to Anata. Always excellent and never wanky, and for their efforts they have earned… kinda abject obscurity

      • Ben says:

        Not listened to them before. I’m liking what I hear so far though, good shout there I need to look into these guys more.

        • LC says:

          The Conductor’s Departure is more or less my favorite death metal album of all time
          they have a new one completely recorded and mixed, but bullshit with Earache Records has kept it unreleased for fucking YEARS now, fuck Earache, everything Seth Putnam said about Dig was right

  29. @_JonW says:

    I need to make one of these, they look quite fun. For all round hate, it has to be thrash metal. All the music sounds the same, if you play it within 100 feet of a girl you can actually hear their vagina snap shut and their fans are intolerable. Not that I’m one to speak, I prefer Skrillex over tr00 dubstep. And I miss the glory days of MySpace, miss u BC13. On a side not, they’re coming to Scotland and playing a tiny venue in my town, wtf ?

  30. LC says:

    Ok I did not read all the comments so I’m sure someone else said it too, but good god the “faux-Irish punk,” thank you. I am presuming this in fact i is an umbrella term that covers all types of music liked by Irish dudes that think it’s real rad to be Irish and consider Boston their very own Africa/motherland (aka drunken, frequently racist scumbags)
    Stuff like Flogging Molly could be the best music in the world and it’d be nearly OPAQUE to enjoyment based on the fanbase alone :/ I say this being Irish myself, it ain’t nothin to be proud of!

    • alanso says:

      Tr00 Irish punk is just an amalgamation of every other type of punk and calling it our own via hating/mirin everyone around us.

      Also, eh, wouldn’t, y’know, Ireland be considered the homeland? And if you’re Irish, y u speak American, brah?

      The biggest revelation of this post is calling it Club Rap. I’ve tried for a while to pigeon-hole that genre with a label, and then you saunter in and do it like it’s so simples.

      • LC says:

        haha I just meant I am mostly Irish by blood, I am American

        no Boston is the motherland, these guys would not be tolerated anywhere outside of America

  31. BC says:

    No surprises here. I’ll be honest I don’t like the fan bases of almost all the music I love. I try not to let that get in the way of the music though, I mean I hate pretentious indie fans but I still listen to indie, I hate preachy holier than thou HxC kids but I still mosh hard. I’m glad that I’m capable of seperating the genre from it’s fans in most cases. There are some exceptions of course as with Tool, I do still enjoy their music, but the amount of annoying poors who think listening to Tool makes them smart they attract ruins the fun. Same goes with most country music for me it attracts too many blue collars and poors and I just can’t relate to them or the music really. Rockabilly gives me that same feeling.

    • Sergeant D says:

      the amount of annoying poors who think listening to Tool makes them smart

      boom

    • LC says:

      Tool is basically the crown jewel of legitimately decent music that I can’t view as such based on the people I know who like them :( I have struggled with this but can’t seem to break free

      • @_JonW says:

        Tool is one of my ultimate friendzone bands. I’m happy people love their music, just as long as I can forget they exist.

      • Onil says:

        sad4u. 2 good friends of mine are really gay for Tool and even though they’re always sending me jewtube links to their songs I can’t stand 15m songs. :(

  32. spined_wurm says:

    i love every post with charts. moar charts pls.

  33. chololol says:

    What is tr00 hip hop? Like sage francis and shit like that?

  34. steve says:

    There’s like this weird phenomenon in my home town and I’m not sure what it is.

    What is the genre called when people dress like greasy mechanics(leather jacket, pompadour, ect) and play stand up bass and washboard and spoons and shit and play really abrasive hard rock/ punk? Is that just called rockabilly? If so, fuck rockabilly and everyone who makes that kind of musik.

    also hate country music, love country girls.

  35. sweatdripsfrommyballs says:

    Don’t hate, congratulate : (

  36. Charlie Brown says:

    I love your hate for faux-irish punk. I can’t tell you the amount of times in my life some dickhead has put on the dropkick murphy’s while I’ve been drinking before the bar. No one wants to be reminded of how many times you have watched boondock saints.

    Full disclosure, I lived with a guy for a year that did this, that is why my butt hurts so bad :(. I never liked the music to begin with though. So him and his douchey friends pushed the red block that was already very negative on the y axis to very negative on the x axis as well, which equals a very badly hurt butt.

    The music that really makes my butt hurt falls into one of two categories:
    1)I hate the people that listen to it.
    2)I don’t like it and I am forced to hear it a lot for some reason.

    I can pretty much ignore anything else. Therefore, there isn’t really a specific genre that I hate because I am rarely exposed to an entire genre due to one of these two categories.

    • Charlie Brown says:

      Also it could have been flogging molly now that I think of it, I have no idea honestly. Whatever it was, it made my butt hurt.

    • Sergeant D says:

      and I am forced to hear it a lot for some reason

      Can’t believe I didn’t think of this– that is a critical ingredient to making my butt hurt! I hate real irish music a lot too, but I never have to hear it so it’s easy to ignore = no hurt butt

      • TLDR says:

        I couldn’t think of any music to hate, but when you guys brought up the “forced to hear it” aspect, I was immediately reminded of the month or so when I was working at Starbucks and they were promoting the new Celine Deone CD by playing it literally all the time. Bad times

  37. Klem says:

    “caring is gay”

    Thank you for that, this is SO true!!
    My philosophy of life revolves around that sentence (srs)

  38. roger_camden says:

    Can’t stand Calypso (and most other “island music” outside of reggae) or anything featuring steel drum, for that matter.

  39. Onil says:

    Since I started reading SYWH my hatred for stuff I didn’t like turned into simply being “Meh, I don’t care about them” and I can’t think of any genre/band/fans that I hate right now.

    But some brazillian music genres really give me some anal pain. :(

  40. Skdman777 says:

    I try not to be that big of opinion of music based on fanfare, but I love the shit out of Touché Amoré and the ikeacore shit for some reason. The fans are just plain a pain in the ass though. I got judged hard for not being “serious enough” a few nights ago while wearing a SnapBack in the gig while enjoying Touché Amoré and Defeater. And the fans were dressed like white trash. (srs note: D I actually tweeted to you about this that night about the white trash thing lol) it bugged me that i can’t just walk into a bar and enjoy me some srsbutthurtcore with out being lazered and “judged by the scene”

    Also:I know Jeremy Bolm has been reported to be a jerk, but I sat and talked with him for a few min and was one of the chilliest dudes I have met in a while. Would most def hang with just to talk about being edge and enjoying drunk bands.

    • Save Parker says:

      The fans are always like hundred times worse than the biggest asshole in one of the bands they like, via just being stoked people like their music and not caring about anything else about them.

    • sweatdripsfrommyballs says:

      + 1 on Jeremy Bolm dude. Always thought the front man was the stereotypical butthurt no fun clubber but saw them and pianos become the teeth last month and dude was the nicest guy ever. He literally hang out at the merch table talking to fans and didnt leave till like 5 minutes before their set went on. Even on stage he was just being really humble and thanking people for coming and literally right after the gig he was already at the merch table again talking to fans and helping the merch guy selling stuff. Srs and in before WK’ing touche amore frontman and being a phaggot.

  41. Maitre_Robocock says:

    Good post Sarge..but for my personal opinion i hate many kind of fans but not really many kind of music.

  42. 13Enjam!n says:

    This is brilliant.

  43. Grinder says:

    Gotta love fucked up pornogrind and slam!

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  45. Zoloft says:

    hate the music + hate the fans = ska, reggae, dancehall, black metal, power metal, azn music in general
    hate the music + love the fans = hardstyle, raggaeton
    love the music + hate the fans = metal in general, mathcore, jazz. tr00 hxc
    love the music + love the fans = drum and bass, hardcore, punk rock, ambient (not the hipsters, the other people who occasionally listen to it, i.e. stoners, acidbruvs, etc.)

    • Anonymous says:

      Gotta go with your love the music+hate the fans dude. I really dig techy/proggy stuff and jazz fusion, just cause that what I dig. But it can attract the most annoying people EVER. Just because you heard sax in a song doesn’t magic up a phd for you.

  46. Godeye says:

    Holy fucking fuck, how does this have 135 comments already??? Pls respond/make it 137!

  47. Anonymous says:

    Love the music/hate the fans: all forms of metal.
    Hate the music/hate the fans: indie/”alternative”.
    Love the music/love the fans: hxc/pop punk

  48. Isaac says:

    my favorite genre right now is indie rock (srs) and it isn’t on there at all because ur an fggt

    • Lionel Richie says:

      Where would you place this genre you speak of? I myself happen to like indie rock despite the hate for the hipster fans ruining it for the non chino, fake glasses wearing bros.

      pls respond.

  49. TLDR says:

    TBH, I was just surprised that Irish punk and rockabilly were that far to the left. I’ve seen like a post each for those, and would have thought based on frequency of discussion that tr00 pop punk or tr00 anything would have been more disliked.

    Also I thought easycore would be up on the right somewhere.

  50. Latinoheat!!! says:

    Pshh… All about Banda music mixed w/ reggeaton n slapped on sum skankin ska brah!!!

    lmfao @ 5th gen pochos slapping Banda on sum suicidal tendencies!! Fuckin luv it…

    on that note I have a hatred for “Chicano” rap that isn’t P.R, kid frost, n lil rob. All them bald tattoed cancer kids can eat their recycled beats made by actual black producers n musicians(look up oldies lol) n stick em up their culos…

    and I feel ya on the hearing it everyday examples… I hate top wutever hiphop .. But I don’t hate it when I’m in da club grinding on a hot bish… go figure

  51. Anonymous says:

    man, all my points are at 0 on the x axis because i don’t have any friends /wrist

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