First of all, let me be clear: I love CROWN OF THORNZ (especially this song) and I have consistently listened to this record since it came out. But I was definitely in the very very small minority- nobody gave a SHIT about this band in 1996, and the few people I knew who even knew about COT outside of NY hated them (usually because of the vocals). I’m not trying to say I was some kind of forward-thinking genius who deserves a medal for liking a band before other people did, my point is that it’s crazy to see which 90s bands end up being relevant in 2012– they’re definitely NOT the ones I would have expected.
It makes me sad that this band gets no love from Kids These Days– they were one of the most innovative and original bands of the decade and brought the mosh hard
For example, SNAPCASE was huge in the 90s (for a hardcore band), probably only a close second to EARTH CRISIS in popularity. Yet they have zero currency these days, whereas kids worship obscure bands like COT and DISEMBODIED (who were NOT popular in the 90s). This is true of 80s bands as well: I love JUDGE, but the fact of the matter is that YOUTH OF TODAY were 10x bigger back in the day than JUDGE ever was, but for whatever reason Kids These Days love JUDGE and couldn’t give two shits about YOT.
I saw COT in 1997 with DOWNSET and MADBALL (I think), and I remember about 12 people watching their set and only one other kid knowing any of the words to their songs
Given the unexpected 90s bands that ended up being Tumblrfamous in 2012, I have to wonder what bands the kids on the holodeck of Tumblr3000 will be jocking in 2032… if they follow the same bizarre logic that Kids These Days applied to 80s/90s bands, I predict that nobody will remember who THE ACACIA STRAIN, ADTR or THE GHOST INSIDE are. Instead, they will jizz over random bands like TURNSTILE, DEMOLISHER and FIGHT FAIR who are great but in all honesty were never actually popular and nobody gave a shit about when they were around. Oh and ALL TIME LOW will be considered *real* pop-punk.
HOLO-REBLOG DIS IF UR STILL LISTENING TO WAR HOUND IN 2032!!!
i wish people would jock Fall Silent, they were by far the best 90s moshcore band IMO, very ahead of their time with the death metal influences etc., and ive never heard them mentioned by anyone anywhere except on here.
Now that you mention it I am kind of surprised they don’t get more love– they weren’t a big band by any means, but they did have that one album on Revelation that got around quite a bit. Let’s see if we can make them tumblrpopular!!
They’re on Spotify, I’ll check ‘em out -shrugs-
to be fair, the later stuff they put out on rev (which is prolly what the most people have heard of theirs), i wasn’t really into. id recommend anyone wanting to check them out get “no strength to suffer” or “superstructure”
Good point– those are definitely their better records, and the “Nineteen Hundred And Ninety Seven” 7″ on Moo Cow
oh yeah was that the one with the sesame street cover? i forgot about that i need to DL it.
You don’t have a scientific formula/graph to describe this phenomena and predict future trends?
that’s what I was expecting from the title, but maybe this is just something that can’t even be figured out with science.
I should have included a graph, totally didnt even think of it brahs :(
I imagine that tumblr famousness happens the same way that young adult fiction titles become popular: Someone is in a room somewhere (probably the Illuminati), they write the names of every band from the 90′s they can think of on individual post-it notes, stick all the post it notes to a wall, close their eyes (though Illuminati can never truly close their eyes, can they?) and then throw the dart. Whatever band name the dart hits = jocked.
This explains why bands that could be insanely similar, from the same time period, have two completely different paths.
brb, getting my TED talk together.
Hahahahaha that’s my Tumblr post you just screencapped. And also, I got into COT through this site, so you’re definitely to blame for that one.
Also, my theory is that once you remove a band from the hype or whatever their popularity was at the time they were a band like you do when you’re getting into old shit, the only thing you can judge them on is their music and the internet evens the playing field in terms of older bands getting on Kids These Days’ radars so better bands become more popular (which is why people still listen to Judge). But don’t get it confused, kids STILL jock the shit out of Youth of Today.
Really? I never ever see kids talk about YOT on tumblr or anything but they are always on Judge’s balls (and mostly for good reason, Judge is great and their recordings were much better than YOT’s).
Either way I’m glad you got into COT from here, they are sick! Especially “Train Yard Blues,” it’s one of my all time favorite hxc records.
I think liking Youth of Today is considered uncool cuz Ray Cappo broke edge but I know people who like that band regardless, they’re just not loud about it, and they play to huge crowds whenever they play a show so yeah.
And yeah, “Train Yard Blues” is sick. It took me a while to get used to the vocals but I could never argue with those riffs. I get most of my ’90s music advice either from this site (checked out No Comment and Merauder on your advice) or from old dudes I”m friends with (you’d be surprised how many 30+ bros go to hardcore shows in NY, NJ and Philly)
do people jock BOLD? even when i was 15 and obsessed with youth crew i thought they were horrible, but they actually inspired me to start a band cause i figured i couldn’t do worse.
Yeah little kids jock that band now which is funny because like you said you literally could not do worse
*like*
Bold are total shit.
I’m not sure. I know there’s a few that do but no one I’m friends with is into that band except for a few olds who love them for ~*nostalgia*~. Personally, I think they’re embarrassingly bad.
I was just about to mention YOT. I’m 19 and I actually heard Youth of Today long before Judge, I just didn’t like Youth of Today because I thought they sounded pretty shit and I liked Judge because I thought they sounded p sweet. This was back when I knew fuck all about “the hardcore scene” too.
I mean I’m not shit talking YOT either, I can definitely see why they were considered important or whatever, but lettuce be cereal, that shit sounds ridiculous.
That awkward moment when you think you’re 19 but you’re actually 20.
Ray Cappo sounds liek a rly rly rly rly rly pissed off cat.
rrrrrrrrRRRRROOOOWWWW’ERE BACK!!!
Even though I don’t like them, I still have Make A Change on my hard drive because I love hearing “MEK-UH CHEEEEERAAARAAAAROOOW!”
1) from what i’ve seen Kids These Days jock Judge and YOT pretty evenly
2) laughing p hard @ ray capo sounds
3) ray capo sounds + infest-ish vocals = the hilarity of the repos covering all of “we’re not in this alone”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJxNh8TzF5Y&feature=related
see also the cover of “Potential Friends” which is hilarious enough with those lyrics and without the serial killer vocals.
I never heard of the repos, but that cover is genuinely 100x better than the original.
I never liked YoT (or Judge or really any early youth crew bs), but I loved the shit out of that one Better Than a Thousand record. I WON’T SETTLE FOR… MEDIOCRAATAYYY
TACO STAYYYYYYYUUUUUNNNNDDDRRRRR
Confirmed on YOT jockage, I have seen that band jocked in hardcore since I started going to shows in 01, even by fashioncore kids with swoop hair (srs)
For the record, I have never liked YOT or GB and have always thought Judge to be a far superior band. IMO Judge’s songwriting style basically set the standard for the sound of “straight up hardcore,” especially the straight edge variety.
Could never get into COT, although I always had a soft spot for Skarhead, even though the only songs on Kings at Crime I liked were the title track and DMS. Hate to be that faggot, but I actually liked that EP with the shitty recording better. Punk rock fantasy = pure truth, + “you lied to me, you cried to me, BITCH YOU CROSSED ME NOW I GOTTA KILL YA” with singing vocals from an actually hard dude = amazing
Also, let the record reflect that I fucking love Earth Crisis so they’re not quite forgotten by the youth of today (unlike the actual band Youth of Today)
Oh Demolisher, we hardly knew ye…
<3
They would’ve made like, THOUSANDS on snapbacks…
http://youtu.be/bCDDwudgd4I
Would do a two for one deal on it a Zumiez with and UNDFTD snapback.
As a Kid These Days, I fuckin love Strife. Snapcase is awright.
See that’s a perfect example– Strife are horrible and i only knew one person who liked them (some obnoxious jew girl i fingered when i was 19)
Haha 16 year-old me was really into that Strife song on the Cinema Beer Nuts comp…Blistered or whatevs. But then lead singer dude went all Hollywood and up and went and acted in that Godmoney film.
brb listening to the Only the Strong 1993 recording of “What Will Remain?” on repeat to reassert my independence.
Also I love obnoxious jew girls, so I must be doing something right.
QUE MASSIVE ANUS PAIN
Strife was so fucking good, In This Defiance = one of the best edge records of all time (srs)
Moshed for their entire set at Sound and Fury and I was like 24, over the hill in mosh years
but srs doe, DO U EVEN SO CAL? Shit was huge down there
ugh brb ordering special ointments and ring pillows for my severe buttpain
I don’t think I’ve ever actually been butthurt by a musical opinion of yours until now, I’m glad its a rare occasion
Thats crazy. Strife was like a religion in neighborhood back in the day. Kids in the 714, 818, 805 went ape shit for them.
Thats crazy. Strife was like a religion in my neighborhood back in the day. Kids in the 714, 818, 805 went ape shit for them.
I swear Take Me Away and Waiting are the same song. Strife sounds just like Judge but with more palatable vocals.
This 100%, I almost put that in my comment. haha, Basically, the hardcore formula done by judge was improved by strife and other further bands. Same shit just done better
ive noticed allot of kids discovering roadrunner stuff like LOA , type – o, etc. inB4 a dog eat dog inspired band with a saxophone player at this is hardcore 2013
I might cry if teenage jailbait goths start jocking Type O.
it has begun…
I was wondering today why there wasn’t a Snapcase/Helmet/Brother’s Keeper clone band running around, even one. I’d start one, but I’m old, tired, and my voice has to low an octive.
This is a very valid question– that style was really popular in the 90s, but there isn’t a single PICCOLOSNARECORE revival band around now. Someone get on that, stat!
LOL Today when I was listening to “Zombie Perscription” I couldn’t think of the snare name.
Actually, PSC just went out within the decade. Once people start hating technology and trim up their beards neatly again, it’ll probably be on the way back.
I have a piccolo snare on my drumkit because of Snapcase. We sound kind of like Snapcase too come to to think of it. I believe I have identified why kids don’t like us.
BRB changing musical style to sound more like At the Drive In so that we can become tumblrfamous soon. Seriously, you know its coming, that late 90s early 2000s post hardcore revival where bands write completely incoherent lyrics that are “edgy and political”.
My coworker(who is also an oldfag hardcore dude) and i were talking about this last week. Weird.
ahh yes COT… dem train tracks n dat metal riffage…
thanks for snapcase brah…. will mosh fershure…
I was just thinking about this, how I don’t really have a perspective on how bands change in popularity. I wonder if in 2032 kids will be jocking Animosity and King Conquer and forget all about Suiside Silense and Whitechapel.
Yeah, that’s exactly what I predict. Shit will be weird.
Thing is, you could probably dig up some Animosity videos circa 02-05 that would make them look huge. Some of the craziest shows I ever saw were Animosity/First Blood in the Bay around that era (srs), but for Animosity it was always either great or totally dead. Also, I remember talking to Chase once and he said their only really crazy shows were in the Bay or at some festivals :(
This was, of course, before Ceremony got big and the Bay went fag.
tons of kids jock yot in phoenix too. mostly the same kids that used to brag about being in craig mabbit’s geometry class
So I guess that means 20 years from now, kids will jock THE FIRST STEP and THE EFFORT instead of HAVE HEART and DEFEATER. (LE GASP)
The Effort was pretty good actually, and your analogy is almost perfect except replace Defeater with Verse. I don’t recall Defeater being big until after HH/Verse were done.
D – think this post is a bit premature brah,
Excellent idea but lacking research and you could do so much more with it.
Still believe in your ability bro! (while moshing to COT, Disembodied and Snapcase – DAT SNARE on Caboose! <3 )
“DAT SNARE on Caboose! <3" THIS !
thx for the passive-aggressive swipe
Turnstile are so fucking awesome; today I started my incline bench press sesh with Death Grip in my ears and the set went awesome lol. I doubt that this gym anecdote makes them worth jocking 20 yrs from now, but I feel there is some magic in their music, ignant yet catchy, grim yet bouncy, pissed off yet fun, heavy but groovy, their formula works fucking well. But as a side project they will not blow up. Perfect myth material.
snapcase is undoubtedly the best band out of the upstate scene of the 90s. Just incredible. One of my first HC shows, and sure there was dudes moshing, but there were a lot of people just dancing, because Snapcase just has this sick groove.
I have a few friends from Buffalo and they all were butthurt about snapcase and would say shit like “yeah they suck daryl doesn’t say hi to us when he bikes by our foodnotbombs stand.” LOL.
I am not sure to what extent this applies to this post (especially since I am not on tumblr), but I feel like not enough kids jock Deadguy and/or Kiss It Goodbye. I would include Rorschach too but I think they just don’t match up to the two former bands I mentioned.
Deadguy missed their window of “Refused fame” when Dillinger stopped being an “it” band. Kids don’t care about time signatures and syncopation anymore, they just want “Shure SM57 feels.”
I don’t get this. Wasn’t deadguy pretty much done before Dillinger showed up?
From what I can tell, Dillinger just came and did it leagues better than everyone and blew everything off the map.
I meant that Deadguy would have gotten the “oh shit, this band was doing that awesome shit way before the band I like now” stuff that Refused got when metalcore started getting big.
Dillinger isn’t as big with the kids as they used to be so Deadguy’s posthumous fame window closed.
I agree that Dillinger did equations better than everyone else. But it is hard not to hear the Deadguy worship in DEP stuff.
Oh OK I get it now. I see what you’re saying.
Obv Deadguy were a major influence to the whole mathtechcore scene, no denying that, and I like them well enough. I just think calculating infinity blows most shit out of the water.
it’s not about who did it best, it’s about who did it first (since that is usually important to nostalgiafags)
As an euro im really can report bands like COT and Leeway were + still are massive all over Euroland. Back in the 90s american peoples used to say ‘why dont you listen to merel and born against?’ Always thought it was cos we had no taste.
Rorschach was the one band i’ll give the “way ahead of their time” label too and actually mean it. of course when they played recently i didnt go. and if anyone has that comic book that came with the deadguy album, i want to buy that from you 100% srs.
Snapcase is one of my favorite bands. This is my first time on this site, and it sucks. Dude who runs this is trying to be the hardcore version of Hipster Runoff. Also, who gives a fuck what shows you saw 15+ years ago? You still use WordPress. No one uses WordPress anymore.
We’re switching to Xanga next week. Get in on the ground floor now! We’d love to have your even-handed, well-researched observations!
Your comment started super-posi and I was stoked to read a bit about cool hardcore history but it turns out you’re a massive faggot. Sorry to see your condition is this bad, you’ll be in my prayers.
it turns out you’re a massive faggot
don’t know why I found this so funny
i also loled at this– queue homer simpson “hehe it’s funny cuz it’s true”.wav
see also “acualy masive faget”
how do u feel about teh Germs doe?
DEFEND TR00 BLOGGING TOOLS/CMS’S
you’re a faggot.
Congratulations, u “rly get what this site is all about”
From what I can tell, the B9 board still is the tastemaker for what tumblbros will jock. Like the only reason kids care about Integ now was dudes posting Dwid stories in 2006. Same with COT, Fury of V, every Lord Ezec band. Some older heads post crazy stories about X stabbing Y in Z therefore hyping up the “hardcore used to be dangerous angle” and then 12,000 mediafire discography downloads later Integrity is playing shows again.
You guys should see the HxC thread on What.cd. Endless fun.
Snapcase = high bass/low guitar. i find myself yelling IN-CARRARRR-NAY-SHUN! probably once a week still.
“and the few people I knew who even knew about COT outside of NY hated them (usually because of the vocals)”…
Guilty as Charged
Kids are def gonna be repping nu-biohazardcore years from now, aka Turnstile, Warhound, etc
rly hoping that kids will jock disfiguring the goddess, vomit the soul etc. in 2032
Boysetsfire is another one that fell off the face of the earth. Are there any “kids these days” that have ever heard of them? I actually forgot about them until I saw my that friend had liked them on fb. I was never that big of a fan, but they were pretty big.
I have never heard their music but recall seeing their hoodies fucking everywhere around 2003-2005, then promptly stopped seeing them
Yeah, they had a 6 year run before that even. There must be a Victory Records curse or something. Well maybe not, people still like EC, and Warzone.
Never liked BSF, but you are correct– they should be jocked by 90sfags because they were very influential and popular at the time.
They should also be heavily jocked by the PC/NFC/SJW crowd due 2 rly progressive lyrics. I feel like BSF were basically the precursor to Rise Against style OccupyWallStreetCore.
Haha, yup.
bingo
exactly. see mad Canadian bros being all up on that sound for half of the last decade.
Idk, I remember that when I was an annoying musicfag, I based my opinions based on what Allmusic and other music critics thought. A lot of articles were written about how influential Judge were. This is like, around 2003 or so. Idk if that’s when they began getting relevant or after the fact, but just some input from a 90′s kid.
SubZero
Dysphoria
Tension*
Neck
NJ Bloodline
In Cold Blood
Pale Creation: this fucking video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaSGZNYEBFY&feature=related
dude its definitley winter in nj
It’s always winter in NJ.
Was Breakdown actually big when they were a full-time band? Cuz there were a SHIT TON of people going off to their set at This is Hardcore, kids and olds alike.
No, they were pretty unknown outside of NY. I mean, people who ‘rly know a lot about hardcore’ would be aware of them but they were definitely not popular. I can only recall one person over the years who I know listened to them on the regular.
I figured as much. I actually have a friend who booked them 10+ years ago and noone came so he didn’t make enough at the door to pay them their guarantee so Mike Dijan grabbed him by the back of the shirt and said “let’s take a walk” and took him to an ATM so that they could get their money (srs). They wouldn’t have that problem today, kids stopped sleeping (myself included)
lol– it’s called a guarantee for a reason, and Mike Dijan is not a great person to shortchange imo
Agreed on both counts. He wasn’t complaining about it either cuz yeah, it’s a guarantee. Just a funny story.
Never listened to Snapcase (on account of never really being into Hardcore) but they are pretty fucking good. Sound like a heavier version of Helmet or something.
Sarge, what did you think of TURMOIL?! I feel like they should have gotten jocked in the 90s and should be currently jocked by tumblrfags now because they’re so gud.
Everyone loved Turmoil in the 90s. They headlined tours with Indecision.
Will people start jocking Catharsis?
Yeah I’m actually surprised at the lack of Catharsis fanboying, they were heavily jocked by the 90s equivalent of tumblrfags. I can only assume that it’s because they were never very good at marketing and didn’t tour very much.
Catharsis is playing a reunion show and Integrity is actually headlining over them so yeah people don’t really care about that band. I’m stoked to see them though.
I have to say, the first track on Samsara is a banger despite them being dumpstercrimethinccore.
What the fuck was the equivalent to tumblrfags in the 90′s? Was kinda hoping they were shut-ins nobody knew about because they never left home and with no mnstrm forums and websites to express their annoying opinions, they were effectively non-existent.
faggots who made zines and went to fests (aka me)
i will never get tired of imagining sgt. D being lumped in with the stereotypical gen-X-ers >=D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pje34fUgLQ
samsara is sick. But I think a lot of people were probably like “ugh stop talking about revolution I wanna mosh.”
Would also LOVE to know opinion on Turmoil.
And Trial too!
Turmoil were fucking awesome, I really should do a post about them. They are one of Century Media’s best signings ever and those albums are fucking punishing.
Never really liked Trial musically but I like the guys in the band a lot.
Turmoil was a good band. That last album in 2006 or whatever was really good too. I got thrown out of one of their last shows before their first break-up in 2000 for throwing half empty beer cans and cigarettes at ninjamosh dorks.
For real, Turmoil was one of my absolute faves and I went ape shit every time I saw them. Obviously I’m talking about the Jon Gula version not whatever they are now. Extreme self-loathing mixed with piccolosnarecore and heavy breakdowns? Yes plz.
Trial is pretty fucking sick, if slightly generic, but I almost can’t listen to them cuz it’s just too political. And not like that vague political drivel a lot of bands have, so you can kind of get behind cuz it’s still fucking sweet to yell “fuck you I won’t do what you tell me!” even if you own a car and house and owe the bank a few hundred K. But Trial has insanely particular lyrics in some songs and it’s just like.. that’s a bummer man.
Seeing Trial in November. Stoked!!!!111
I’m gonna go the spiritual route and say karma picks bands to get jocked. If you’re good you get a 2nd or 3rd time around at some point.
My 2032 jocked band votes are, Bracewar, Righteous Jams, and Cold World
Can’t wait for the Lockin’ Out 25 year anniversary shows.
The Rival Mob will have 2 more 7 inches of material by then.
Ugh. Righteous Jams. Fuck those guys. I was living in Boston when they got pretty big locally. Them, Mental, some other old school worship bullshit.. I just didn’t get it. And they all just seemed to act like too cool for school weiners at every show.
Yeah, but they Jam………Righteously :(
I don’t know, I’ve never seen them. I can see how they could have that attitude. Those records get me hyped though.
i was there in the 90′s and i liked DISEMBODIED. great group.