I’m glad someone brought this up, because it reminds me of a conversation I had the other day while I was at Cheesecake Factory with Todd from NAILS (no namedrop, I just thought that image would be lulzy to some of you). As old hardcore dudes usually do when they get together, we talked about how different things are These Days compared to Back In The Day. I forget how it came up, but somewhere along the way I told Todd “IDK, I only go to scene shows.”
He seemed to think it was pretty funny when I said that with a straight face, but it’s pretty much true: the reason is that like anon said above, I love the positive, more-or-less wholesome vibe– not to mention that you are 100% less likely to get hit in the head with brass knuckles for no reason than at a ‘real hardcore’ show.
Pretty accurate snapshot of what ‘real hardcore’ shows were like in the 90s (yes I know this is from the 00s but same thing except there were more JNCOs and backpacks in the 90s)
Old man explains what it was like Back In The Day
I’m not going to tell a bunch of krazy stories to prove to you that ‘I saw some rly fucked up shit at shows that u wouldn’t believe,’ because that isn’t really true. It’s not like I went to early 80s LES shows at some squat with a burned out van in front (where the headlining band lived), but it’s definitely a fact that 90s hxc shows weren’t exactly the kind of environment I would want my kids to hang out in.
They were usually in some fucked up neighborhood that kids like me had no business being in (since the venues were run by losers who couldn’t afford the rent anywhere else), and pretty much everybody there was some flavor of dysfunctional, angry loser/outcast/burnout that was headed nowhere fast. And if you went to ‘real hardcore’ shows (think FLOORPUNCH/ONE LIFE CREW/CULTURE/etc), you were guaranteed at least one fight at every single show. That might sound awesome if you are still a little kid that thinks it’s cool to be a fuckup, but in retrospect it was a shitty way to spend my teens and 20s.
Don’t get me wrong, some of my best friends to this day are people I met at those shows, and I learned a lot from DIY culture about how to be independent and resourceful, but overall when I look back it just makes me shudder a little at how fucked up, unhealthy and somewhat dangerous the whole thing was. It especially bums me out when I compare it to how normal kids spent those years: in college, making friends, and having fun while slowly making the transition into the Real World.
I can’t speak for Todd, but I give the Anaheim Cheesecake Factory two thumbs up. The sliders were piping hot, and the attentive staff made sure I never waited for a refill on my Diet Coke!
The lulzy, inept moshing of these ADTR fans gives me the same comforting “awwww they’re so cute and little I wish they could stay babies forever” feel as watching Disney Channel
Family-friendly hardcore
Like I told Todd, these days I pretty much only go to scene shows at corporate venues– or should I say ‘concerts.’ I’m not turning my back on hardcore (for better or worse, it will always be a big part of who I am), it’s more about choosing to put myself in a positive environment. I love that Kids These Days have a version of (more-or-less) hardcore that is so much more safe, positive, and fun than what I had at their age. Obviously seeing WHITECHAPEL at a Clear Channel theater isn’t as ‘authentic’ as hoping we didn’t get robbed as we scurried back to the car after an EARTHMOVER show in some fucked up part of Toledo, but I am ok with that. I don’t miss that shit at all, and I definitely wouldn’t want my kids doing what I did.
But beyond the safety concerns, what I really love about scene shows is that the kids are having FUN. They are super stoked on every band, sing along to every song, mosh harmlessly, and basically just have the time of their lives in a refreshingly innocent, pure way– way cooler and more positive to be around than a bunch of cynical jerks standing around with their arms crossed hating on everything like you’ll see at 90% of ‘real hardcore’ shows. And sure, there are some fucked up kids at scene shows, but overall they seem to be a lot less fucked up than the kids at Real Hardcore shows.
If you want to hate on those kids for being trendy faggots who don’t know anything about their roots and blah blah blah, I guess that is your choice. After all, it is a free country and you have the constitutional right to be butthurt. But I would trade everything I know about tr00 hardcore to have as much fun as the kids I see at those shows, and I’m glad they have better options than I did. DEFEND DISNEYCORE.
Do you go to scene shows? Would you rather your daughter get +100 to HXC CRED by going to sketchy Real Hardcore shows full of fucked up losers, or be a poser that goes to scene shows? What is the best item on the Cheesecake Factory menu?
You guys look like you were having an absolute blast at cheesecake factory, I can’t stop smiling at that pic. #ILikeDicks
Like I said the sliders were awesome– definitely worth the drive from Buena Park! That said, I wouldn’t go on a Friday or Saturday, I feel like it could get crazy there.
It gets pretty ridiculous at the couple that are in my area on the weekends. Like hour long wait to be seated, on average. And lots of drunk college kids getting hella PG-13 crazy.
luv dem sliders too brah… been to the exact same one you were at …. it does get packed as fuck in the weekend
but all i gotta say is: wheres the hair todd?? da fuck!!
oxnard will disown you w/o da hair!!!
still got socal luv for you tho via Nails kickfucking my ears and making me jock you so hard like my boner for alonna red!!
I’ve always been too embarrassed to go to scene shows, but it seems like a good way to hook up with jailbait. The Maine is coming around next month, anybody know if they still attract a scene audience despite being srs authentic musicians now?
Jailbait is much more prime @ scene shows, hardcore shows are even more dude centric and while there is the occasional “troo pop punk girl” there they are few and far between, not to mention fiercely protected against scumbags like me. Also they usually graduate into hipsters in a few years anyways
Dude just because you go to the show doesn’t mean you have to creep on every girl there. Srs, no jb intended.
I was half joking, but if I do go to the show and happen to meet a cute scene girl of legal age, there’s no harm done there!
Sorry that seemed really butthurt on my part haha. I don’t know why it came out like that, I didn’t mean to.
It happens to the best of us.
mmm.. nubiles.. yum lol =P j/p
wuts wrong w/ creepin’??
I do dat shit all the time at starbux… half the barrista bishes are smashable n college freshman chix w/ apple laptops are always fucken hott via being spesh beans/snowies!!
defend tr0o0 free wifi!!!
DEAD
and yeah, I’m a bonified creep myself. DGAF wouldn’t get any girls if I tried so might as well
to answer your question, i see mostly indie girls jocking their merch now so i doubt it
Also, brofist to Tom for his shirt. Cum cum, to the Sabbath!!!!
Exactly dude, TOM is awesome, I liek his music, his shoe-brand & the fact that he’s an uncle.
Tom is a legend
Why do people go on stage with a beanie/tuque/whatever?? That looks ridiculously uncomfortable :/
It’s really not that bad, beanies are a lot more comfortable than they look. Plus if you’re in a touring band and haven’t showered in two weeks, they cover up that groce tour hair nicely.
The scene here in the Armpit of socal (Inland Empire) is kinda getting weak and srs. The death-core bands and scene bands that were pumping out every second back in 2009 either grew up or everyone forgot about them with the emergence of the tr00 movement. There are still a few bands that still rep the classic “i’m going to cut your face off and have sex with it you slut” lyrics. But i guess only one can look back in time and hope for another wave of scene, mainly here in the IE. (if there is a scene capitol anywhere else do tell and i’ll move out of here, quick)
armpit of socal (Inland Empire)
fucking ded at the accurate statement… you desert people n your zanyness…gotta love my I.E slutty bro hos doe… they can hop on my lifted truck anytime hehe….
is it tro0o that the first actual “bro” (meaning lifted monster truck, long dickies short, black vans, Monster/Fox/Skin decal lovin’, black sunglasses wearin white boi) came from riverside/San Bernardino?? I must know this.. plz respond..
I wonder who will win? the south bay bros vs the long beach bros vs OC/HB bros vs the 909/951 I.E bros!!! let the PBRs n natty/keystone ice chugging n tattoo party featuring nothing but DGAF n brass knuckles/last name on upper body tats commence!!
Don’t know much about the 909 bros (via being a Mexi-bro)
But it’s funny when they call me faggot when their trucks lose a race against my Honda civic. :)
ded @ “i’m going to cut your face off and have sex with it you slut”
That shitty feel when you go to a hardcore show to have fun and the Tuff Guy Brigade shows up to stomp everyone who doesn’t have >80% face tatt coverage :(
Also lol’d hard at FattyBoomSticks in the XXX shirt moshing in the ADTR vid !!!
Down Unda maybe it’s different, but here most of the “face-tatt” dudes are more chill than the uptight-social-justice-scene-police, then again I’m speaking about the Bay Area so midwest/east-coast wigneck gomers are an uncommon sight.
Yeah here in opposite land, the thugged out face tatt bros who eat roids for breakfast cause a lot of trouble at Real Hardcore shows. Lots of venues got shut down permanently because of these knob shiners who “rly know hardcore && r dedicated to tha scene”. The pc fggt patrol here are all skinny pussies who live on soy chai lattes and warm feels and spend all their money on upside down cross tattoos and record collections.
RCHC for life fuk u fggt
<3 u whoever u are
Not sheriff these avatar things are really random symmetrical dots…
But Crafter said there was none of that in Australia (lol) (srs).
> This looks fun as fuck tho: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ixi8rYvwI
This ^^ times a million, would rather hang out with FSU than the PC police any day.
Actually FSU were the WORST of both worlds.
I feel like I’m really glad I don’t know what you mean by FSU. I’ve only understood it as Fl State Uni. It makes me glad I spent my formative years road tripping to Tally to drink kegs of Natty Light and hit on the girl that wasn’t getting too much attention cause of freshman 15 (srs, had a big water ballon thing). Not trying to sound holier than thou, considering I was trying very hard to be as involved in the heavy musi scene here as possible (regret.gif), but it sounds like I might have dodged a bullet.
Gangland did an episode about them because they couldn’t repeat MS-13 or the Aryan Brotherhood and were out of ideas.
You mean to tell me that FSU were excessively PC environmentally concerned vegans? Noneof the FSU dudes I met were like that
FSU just always sucked a huge barrel of dicks every chance they got. Fucking faggets.
buttmad/10
most of the “face-tatt” dudes are more chill than the uptight-social-justice-scene-police
dude, true fact! it took me years to realize this but it’s 100% reality.
defiantly, i went to a ton of ABC screamo shows and pretty much every NYHC show in the 90′s, and i look like a complete twink, and the tough guys were way nicer…. if you went to see , say, madball at CBGBs in the mid 90′s, youd assume thatd be the scariest shit, but at DMS shows people were actually on their best behavior, and there were way less fights than at the aspirational tough guy shows at castle heights(queens) etc where people had something to prove.
i also moved to boston FROM NYC and all the FSU kids i met were super nice and chill, and let me reinstate that i look like a complete faggot, so dont believe everything you hear…
ps sarge, come to the crown of thornz / beatnutz show in manhattan in dec haha
wow that should draw an… interesting crowd haha
there were way less fights than at the aspirational tough guy shows at castle heights(queens) etc where people had something to prove.
THIS TIMES A MILLION. Fake toughguys cause way more trouble than the real deal
Also because Castle Heights was a fucking shit show.
I recently got back from Calgary and all of the older dudes who looked like they would gladly smash your face in with a pool ball in a sock in the pit if they got the chance were actually chill as fuck and ended up doing lines with a couple of them at Xibalba.
All of the tr00 PC fun police kids were fucking awful and no fun at all.
I’m pretty sure Todd is Corpsegrinder’s lil bro via neck similarities. Confirm/deny?
agreed. dat neck is reaching corpsegrinder like proportions.
come on guys, be nice (srs).
It’s what makes up different that makes us special:)
What about the facial similarities to Joran van der Sloot? (no hate)
I’ve never gone to The Cheesecake Factory. How soon should I rectify this?
is there a difference between hardcore dancing and moshing? it looks like hc dancing is flailing your limbs erratically at each other and moshing is more of people striking eachother with their core mass instead of their fists or st
More or less. Moshing is basically just running around bouncing into each other.
also cannot stop laughing at the guy dancing in the suit in the irate video
the cheesecake factory is fucking awesome!
but yeah, here in northern va the scene is somewhat dead, bands like i see stars/adtr/etc don’t even stop in va/md anymore, just go from pa to nc. there is a brokencyde show next month though, i’ve been considering going to that but idk, i feel like it would only be me and fat scene chicks who are still living in the past.
dude i live in nova ill go with you haha
I suggest avoiding the BC13 show unless you want to get really depressed as you watch them cling desperately to their internet fame of 4 years ago :(
nova resident here as well. just moved to the area from nyc via boston, where can I find tr00 hxc or scene shows? i’m having withdrawals bro.
check out the 930 club in dc and empire nova in springfield. those are the only two places i know of in the area. if you go to baltimore there’s the ottobar and rams head live. if you decide to go to richmond, which i avoid like the plague, there is the hat factory, canal club, and another place that i cant remember. good luck with your scene goals for 2012. i know that theres a brokencyde show soon, also an all time low show and a dance gavin dance one as well. let me know if you go to any of those, can meet up there or something #totallyhomo
I feel you bro on RVA. One slam show and everything else has been crust punk/noise/shit. Oh, and Skeletonwitch.
crust punk/noise/shit. Oh, and Skeletonwitch
brb barfing
I go to a lot of tr00 pop-punk shows and I feel the same way about it just being a really positive scene where kids are really into the bands. When I see older bands the crowd often seems so disinterested.
This is a huge problem with old punk rock/hardcore punk bands. They’re just starting to tour Australia for the first time and I’ve wanted to see these bands since I was a teen. Every show is the same, there is a small pit of younger fans smashing the shit out of each other, which is fine but not something I’d do anymore. Then everyone over 21 is just standing around like they’re waiting in line at the bank making it feel really awkward when you actually try to dance, headbang, cheer or show any kind of enthusiasm :(. They’ve paid 50 bucks to do this too, fucking losers
I’ve decided next time I go see a band I really want to see I’m just going to fucking take drugs so I don’t care
I get at what you’re saying here and back fun for anyone in any way they want, but in my experience over the last 1-2 years the pits seem to go harder and more violent for bands like the Acacia Strain/Defiler than they do for most “real hardcore.” Another commenter on here noted a while back that deathcore is the new beatdown, the demographic has been filtered down to weight lifting moshbros who just want to wreck shit (back tard)
There are still bands that bring the kind of crowd/pit that you are talking about in real hardcore (Alpha Omega, Terror, Downpresser), but for the most part it seems like the trend in real hardcore has been more toward tr00ness and being a srs young adult and all the other shit discussed on this site regularly. Dissatisfaction with This shift is actually a big part of what drew me to this site (srs)
I’m seriously hoping that bands like Xibalba can bridge the deathcore crowd over into “real” hardcore, via being heavy and low tuned and metal enough to appeal to the deathcore crowd musically but also more in the regular hardcore direction to show them something different. I’d love to see an invasion of a bunch of kids bring the mosh back to real hardcore and desaturate all the tr00ness and other pseudo intellectual faggotry
Brb, listening to Defeaters acoustic number & crying into my sazerac, taking a puff on my corncob-pipe, then mournfully fapping to pictures of 1930′s railroad cars. Goodbye tr00-ness…
mournfully fapping to pictures of 1930′s railroad cars
ror
bactard on Alpha Omega, Crossover bands like them bring the best crowds. the whole show was just head banging and two stepping
Holy fuck. Back all of this so hard.
Let’s form a committee and get some community activism going. We, the committee of the mosh, propose to act as ambassadors for deathcore moshbros crossing over (but not abandoning) from deathcore into what the internet and oldfags everywhere term “real hardcore.”
Now if you’ll turn your attention to the projector behind me, I’ve put together a preliminary schedule for rolling out the transition to our new ‘native genre.’
lololololol
I went to a Xibalba show (in Europe) a few months ago and I fuckin love that band but i just couldn’t enjoy the show cause i was worried someone would give me a roundhousekick to the face. srs dudes…not fun.
I wanna have fun at a show, not get beaten up in the pit.
next time you meet up with todd for food and he has a mercyful fate shirt on you should make him order everything in a king diamond voice. i see no way this could go wrong.
BACKED
whats a king diamond and how does it sound
pls respond
First 5 seconds of this is all you need to know: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8HKhY8aWwY
I live too far to go to most of the scene shows, so I have to limit it, but I’m traveling 12+ hours tomorrow for THE WE COME AS ROMANS and THE FALLEN DREAM. Hopefully there will be no butthurt at that show, there is even a dubstep opening band feelsgoodman.
FORTH A FALL & DREAM imo
interesting post. I am not as old as you but i am in my mid 20′s and married amd go to shows when i can. i went to a “real” hardcore show about a week ago amd saw merauder, war hound, and some beatdown band that was touring with them. i had fun until i got a fist to the face during merauder nearely popping my hard contact lens out. i realized right there ill leave moshing to the younger ones or old fat bald dudes in wifebeaters. the overall vibe was really not that bad though. maybe its because i am used to going to shows in syracuse where everyone seems to be a buttburt vegan.
I’ve been to 1 “real hardcore” show
saw some bitch get kicked in the face by a ginger midget beardo.
i’ll never go to another one.
SCENE SHOWZ FOR LYFE
(breakdows+bassdrops+blastbeats+100′s of 15 yr olds)
(breakdows+bassdrops+blastbeats+100′s of 15 yr olds)
A++++++
Went to a show at an abandoned GM warehouse in Flint MI, where straightedge dudes in their 20′s were beating up 15 yr olds for smoking. Walked to the checkers/rally’s down the road and witnessed a legit armed robbery. Worst part is that I thought this was something to be proud of at the time.
I never want my kids to go to anything besides warped tour, where I can spend the day reminding them to use sun screen and stay hydrated while I sit in the parents area.
U LOOK EXACTLY LIEK MY FRIEND KEVIN. R U MY FIRNED KEVIN? PLS RESPOND
Best item on CF menu: BUFFALO BLASTS
“Chicken, Cheese and Our Spicy Buffalo Sauce all Stuffed in a Spiced Wrapper and Fried until Crisp. Served with Celery Sticks and Blue Cheese Dressing.”
Capitalized words = EXCELLENCE
I think this is a corollary of the white people doing poor people stuff to feel like their life is worth meaning. In this case, white people have the urge to do dangerous stuff to “really feel alive”. See also: Hang Gliding, Skydiving, Safaris, Shark Reef Snorkeling, moving to Harlem
“Moving to Harlem”
A++++++++
See also: ‘spiritual vacays to India/Somalia/Israel/Thailand’
‘poverty vacations,’ or living like a poor for a short period of time (before retreating back to the safety of their white enclave)
I have 4 friends who have done this.
How have I not noticed this before?
One girl moved down to Mexico. Lived there for nearly a year. Dated some local dudes. Swore she’d never date white guys again. Came back north. Got a job. Engaged to some white dude within 6 months.
I think you are right to a certain extent. IMO this is the result of oversheltering of young males, who are sick of being constantly regulated and bored and safe. It’s shit like years of getting in trouble for playing tackle football at recess, getting suspended for “fighting” when you were actually just wresting your friend and you were all having a good time, and being screamed at by PC feminist teachers for playing “smear the queer” (a game where whoever has the football just gets tackled by everyone, there is no score or purpose really) because they insisted it was a hate crime (all ofthe above has actually happened to me).
While I do not condone deliberate attacks on particular people, in my experience most people complaining about violence at shows are whining pussies looking for attention who do not belong in hardcore.
Getting hit at a show isn’t really all that bad, and overall contact sports like high school football are actually much more dangerous than mosh pits. People seriously get crippled from contact sports, who gets crippled from a hardcore show? (aside from peole stage diving off 20 ft monitors)
Hory fuk I played Smear the Queer in middle school! And we actually call it Tag the Fag (100% srs)
Fuck yeah +1 for pointless tackling games
Backed so hard, pointless tackling games is basically my entire middle school life.
Yes, these and getting “benched” during recess/lunch for playing them, and getting yelled at by teachers for “hate speech” (calling someone a retard) and other shit. I got myself into so much trouble in middle school, but not like serious trouble just good old fashioned mischief. Good times, in a way haha
I will never get why people romanticize oldschool hardcore shows, srsly. I mean, I like some of the bands, but the crowds look too violent and scary and that Irate video is just fucking terrifying (yes – I am a pussy). When I go to a show, I wanna relax and enjoy the music and maybe have a drink, not worry about someone windmilling my face in half (or in the case of 80s hardcore, just beating the shit out of me for no other reason than I’m standing there). Luckily, modern punk shows aren’t that violent via bands like NOFX and Bad Religion making it popular with normal people and pop punk shows/Warped Tour are usually a blast.
also, I clearly remember my sister <3ing Irate when she was in her scene phase. I wonder if she's seen that video, lulz.
All of this = back tard (although honestly I don’t think that Irate video is all that scary or violent compared to your average 90s moshcore show)
There is nothing cool about being a violent asshole/loser
I agree with this and the general premise of this site BUT I recommend you watch the Bad Brains live at CBGBs if you ever get the chance
not rly into 80s music but ok
As a guy who’s been to Warped Tour, Bamboozlefest, and frequents the Glass House in Pomona I 1000% agree with scene shows. As a 5’7″ azn manlet I relish the fact that I’m taller than 3/4ths of the crowd <3 feelsgoodman.ini
And I non-ironically <3 Cheesecake Factory too! P good place to take college-broads on a date. I took mai Persian waifu to the Cheesecake Factory at the Irvine Spectrum and we shared the Shrimp Scampi and Steak Diane combo. #ghey #whipped #phaggot
Irvine Spectrum is easily in my top 5 malls of all time. Sooooooo many kyut girls in leggings and uggs ♥ and they have one of those Coke ‘freestyle’ machines (although I just get Diet Coke i appreciate the option to get something zany if i wanted to!)
Next time you’re down here you need to hit up South Coast Plaza (2 H & M’s in one mall!) and Fashion Island. Both contain serious amounts of yoga butt and excellent dining options.
I went to both last week! I am a big SCP fan; it’s like shooting OTWs in a barrel
it’s like shooting OTWs in a barrel
DED
(although I just get Diet Coke i appreciate the option to get something zany if i wanted to!) = White people/10
There is an ad campaign for these in my area and they show different people thinking about different flavors of drinks. Mid-30s white girl thinking about sprite, avg 20s white dude thinking about lime diet coke….AND a black guy in a sleevless basketball shirt thinking about grape powerade.
I have to admit; the first time I encountered a freestyle coke machine at Five Guys, I lost my shit when I realized I could make a Cherry Vanilla Coke Zero.
The ironing of enjoing a fruity diet drink while eating a bacon double cheeseburger was not lost on me.
I srsly love combining diet coke with huge, greasy burgers or pizza. A while ago I ordered something disgusting with a diet coke and my brother asked ‘Why don’t you just get a normal coke?’ and my answer was ‘because its funny’.
OMG their red velvet cheesecake <33333333
Alesana shows are legit really fun. Haven’t been to one in liek 2-3 years bc they got all weird and themey but I got onstage at my first one and screamed with Dennis for a bit.
living like a poor for a short period of time (before retreating back to the safety of their white enclave)
I moved to the shithole North Side of Milwaukee for two years after growing up in an upper middle class suburb where you can only afford to live if you are a doctor, lawyer, or CEO. Spent high school bumping Slayer and various DM bands in my Ford Explorer Limited.
I got my TV stolen while I was home (North Side), heard gunshots on a daily basis, and now I’m back living within walking distance of no less than three (3) yoga studios and getting mad tipz on flirtinis at the upscale trendy neighborhood restaurants frequented by the area milfs. #liberalguilt #tr00subarbanite
best are the ones acting all “real hardcore” while at scene shows!!!
but its really not all that black or white…had some great fun at shows where the crowd looked like in that irate video… but they never show u how everyone helps if u get kicked bad in those…
best are the ones acting all “real hardcore” while at scene shows!!!
los YES– oooooo cool TSSF snapback bro so_hardcore.jpg
Cheesecake Factory is p sweet for sure, one of the man reasons I got a driver’s license (srs). And I totally agree about the post in general, I’d much rather go to some ghey I See Stars show and jump around like a fggt rather than go get my ass kicked at an “hxc” show. The younger scene is still about fun and being happy, which is why I know so many people that are 4-5 years younger than me. Everybody my age (20) is getting to be all tr00 and srs with #lifeproblems and shit >.>
it’s weird to see your instagram photos. all these old, hardcore dudes hanging out at restaurants and stuff make me smile a bit haha
haha this is what old people do– go to chain restaurants and bullshit for hours
For my only show of the year I picked a Impending Doom christian bill next month for all the reasons mentioned up there. Most of all, cause it wasn’t in Detroit, or Cleveland, and the overall christian chillness.
I have two daughters, and as much as I can’t picture them throwing down at Harm’s Way/Weekend Nachos show in their late teens. It is still going to freak me out when they go into Detroit some band they want to see. I will refer them to this post in about a decade.
Dude very fucking true, i definatley have a lot more fun at “mainstream shows” than i do at hardcore shows. Hardcore shows can be brutal, and I cant act like a drunken idiot without getting my ass kick by like 3 or 4 people ganging up on me for my swinging accidentally hitting one of them. And there always seems to be really sketchy cholo guys. Even if the hardcore show is at a venue like Aladdin Jr. there’s still a fucked up crowd there. I remember one time i saw Xibalba there was this guy the size of Shaq just going in the pit straight punching people in the face. Knocking a few people the the floor. Then when no one was pitting anymore he started to run into the side crowd and swing at them anymore. Mother fucker had a smirk on his face like this so fucking funny. Hes fucking lucky he was in Pomona cus I gaurantee if he was somwhere closer to LA he would’ve gotten stabbed for sure. With that being said when Hatebreed played recently the crowd was a really chill of kids and adults, all the older heads were cool as fuck and just wanted to enjoy a band they grew up with. In fact i distinctly remember this old skinhead grab a hardcore dancer by the collar and fucking threatening to kick his ass if he get deliberatly swinging at chicks and people who weren’t trying to pit. But this is the same guy in the pit whod be singing every lyric.
Recently saw Hatebreed. I moshed (didn’t plan to, I was wearing a nice shirt and had to take it off). About 15 dudes that I know moshed. No one else moshed and there were over 600 people there. Hardcore is so alive but so dead
The funny thing is that everything you said about scene shows is true of “the wave”
you should try going to a tr00 pop punk or srscore show. Fun, small, and usually a bit insane.
last show I went to was the story so far. there was almost too much stage diving. a 4 ft 11 girl in yoga pants was getting all aggro and jumping on people. really, really fun.
I like a few scene bands but haven’t had the opportunity to go to any scene shows yet, but my experience with “real hardcore” shows has been overwhelmingly positive. Sure there are some nasty basement venues in sketchy neighborhoods but I never really minded that. The people seem genuinely friendly and not judgmental, and no more violent than your average dude (outside the pit, anyway). I remember being really paranoid going to my first hxc show (harms way at the Albion house earlier this year) mostly because of all the nasty things you said, but when I got there I was surprised at how chill everyone was.
Idk, maybe it’s different in Chicago, or I simply haven’t been to enough shows to see the hardcore scene’s real scumbags.
Well like I said it’s not like you are going to get stabbed in the face as soon as you walk into a show, and like I also said I have a ton of positive experiences and lifelong friends from going to hardcore shows. I’m not putting it down or anything, I fucking love hardcore– my point is that there is also a lot to appreciate about scene shows (which most people write as faggoty bullshit for posers).
I fucking love hardcore– my point is that there is also a lot to appreciate about scene shows (which most people write as faggoty bullshit for posers).
I feel like this is the mantra, or mission statement, or someother sort of all encompassing purpose statement of SYWH
Rly brave of you to attempt to give this underappreciated genre the credibility and respect it deserves at the risk of your own reputation in the scene. (semi srs)
Yeah, it captures “rly getting what this site is all about” quite concisely.
Rly brave of you to attempt to give this underappreciated genre the credibility and respect it deserves at the risk of your own reputation in the scene.
i don’t consider myself a hero; anybody else would have done the same thing if they were in my shoes.
addendum: I did get kicked in the face a few times at a THE XIBALBAS show and it was unpleasant.
I disagree sarge. Scene shows like Emmure, Acacia Strain, Whitechapel or whatever will have 10x more weirdos and fuck ups than an actual hardcore show purely down to the fact those are way more popular, easier to find and more accessible for ANYONE and that included weirdos who lack basic social skills who rarely leave their house. I’ve seen more fights at these shows due to people not knowing how to mosh (via assuming it’s ok to just punch people) than at an actual hardcore which honestly is more full of posing and looking hard than actually doing anything violent.
Once you start going to hardcore shows regularly is pretty obvious to see there is an unspoken code of conduct in regards to moshing and in my experience once that gets established there is alot less to go wrong and so everyone has fun, doesn’t get injured and have an overall positive experience. Of course I’m only speaking from my experience and no doubt I know in some places there will be these fake tough guy crews who target / “hatemosh” into certain people cause they don’t like the way they look but that would still happen at any heavier scene show.
Well, no one group of people has a monopoly on shitheads. You’re definitely right that those bigtime moshcore/deathcore shows often attract those kind of dipshits, but you won’t see any at say a WCAR or Woe Is Me show– there are many different flavors of scene, many of which are shithead-free (at least, the kind of shithead who moshes you).
Also, from what I have seen hardcore shows are less violent than they used to be- when I was going to Cleveland shows in the late 90s there was literally at least one fight at EVERY SINGLE SHOW. Sometimes a kid got fucked up bad, other times it was just a scuffle that lasted a minute, but either way it wasn’t exactly a chill atmosphere that made you feel at ease. I am comparing the vibe of a ADTR or Parkway Drive show in 2012 to a One Life Crew show in 1997.
Anyway like I said I’m not putting down hardcore necessarily, it’s more about being stoked that there is a safe place for kids who more or less like the same kind of music we grew up on to see bands and hang out with their friends without being around all the grose, negative shit I was exposed to as part of my hc tour of duty.
I can only imagine the sort of sketchiness of an OLC show in 97, the youtube vid where mean steve jumps off the stage starts fighting some PC punk and turns into a riot is insane.
I honestly think those sort of bands are rare nowadays, of course you still have heavy mosh bands like TUI, Backtrack, Harms Way and the like but it’s blatant none of those guys are legitimate criminals like they might try and come across as, I dunno, maybe all that shit has died down and waiting for a comeback in a few years time?
the youtube vid where mean steve jumps off the stage starts fighting some PC punk and turns into a riot
the girl screaming in that video was my on-and-off again gf for 3 years and the reason i moved to cleveland feelsbadman.cfg
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Actually, I got kicked out of a Woe Is Me/A Skylit Drive/Motionless in White show at the old School of Rock venue because some kids started shit with some friends of mine who came down from Connecticut to hang. It was some stupid LOCALS ONLY style drama because NJ is full of gutter people. They were pissed that we kept knocking them on their asses for trying to hatemosh the crowd and hit girls. So things went south, and I got jumped by security, only I didn’t realize it was security because they didn’t have any identification as such. Ended up choke slamming two of them until one guy got me to cool off. And then when I walked out one of the idiots I mangled tried to keep having at it. lol.
Not to be a dick since I see your point, but that you refer to those bands as “Scene” is telling of the bigger issue at hand.
brb booking TAS on the next I See Stars/Blessthefall tour
Are TAS fans the Juggalos of the hardcore scene?
I went to an All Pigs Must Die show (are they even hxc, srs?) and there were about 30 kids there plus me and my buddy who are both +30 years old. Feelsoldman.
http://www.stuffyouwillhate.com/2011/09/is-entombedcore-the-next-tr00-hxc-trend/
I went to a backyard show in Florencia one time and a dude got stabbed. Pretty at ease environment
well i mean to be fair that is hardly unexpected at a backyard show in Florence
pls dont forget that they are uhhh 17 years old ? and in less than 5 years they will wear stupid hats in the middle of the summer and get really emotional about bikes n stuff?
I am confuse
How can such a happy looking man be the mind behind nails?
Todd is a nice dude and really funny, idk why people have such a hard time believing that
probably ’cause his lyrics give an extremely miserable vibe (back ‘em tard)
He really looks like a genuinely nice guy tho, wood love to offer him few drinks/10
where im from if lionheart or king 810 come out it gets wayy violent. i dont even like to be in the room to be honest but all cause if your not moshing your getting hit. which is fucking annoying.but when i go to scene show its so much more relaxed and if i do hit someone on accident i dont have to worry about 10 guys beating my ass. compared to the local shows i go to. thats how it always is and in my opinion scared everyone off. cause everyone sick of getting beat up because they stood up to an hxc guy that thought it be funny to punch some dudes gf in the face for no reason. i feel this mentality isnt just scaring people who use to come out all the time but scaring people from ever coming at all which sucks and makes it ecspecially hard to promote a show.
my bad for rambling hopefully you can get the point
That’s why many venues in San Jose, Santa Cruz, etc. closed down because of those stupid Hardcore Dancing lugheads that ruined it for everyone. now granted I like Hardcore and I like to throwdown, but I have the decency to not hit others that are just standing around.
Can verify the truth of this 100%, SJ kids constantly cause problems @ the 418 and I think it was them who got pioneer street shut down? Lame
Remember Arsenic Productions getting shut down after Joel Hasten booked the Terror and Emmure show? Lame….
DUDE you just threw me into despair via my worst show booking memory ever. I was the one who found that venue (the Castle) originally, and the owners always gave me a better deal than everyone else. so Joel hit me up to move the Terror show there after the Santa Cruz vets hall cancelled due to construction, and I can’t fucking believe I didn’t insist on a no ins and outs rule. That would have solved the whole thing basically. I had tried for YEARS to book terror in the 831, since the last time they did was on their first tour ever with In Control in 2002 @ Jim Dandy’s, but was never able to make it happen. Then when a show finally falls into my lap already booked and all I have to do is get a venue, it fucking gets shut down. Seriously one of my life’s biggest disappointments/failures.
BRB being in a bad mood for a few hours
But as to the relevance of moshing (hardcore dancing or w/e), that wasn’t at all the reason that show was shut down. Any San Jose fake tough guy faggotry would have been regulated on HARD by the Salinas crowd, via being older, stronger and not easily intimidated. Conspicuous drinking was the problem, and failing to have a no ins and outs rule to prevent the massive crowds from running all over downtown Soledad (tiny quiet city).
Attention seeking straight edge kids get a lot of shit for obvious reasons, but imo attention seeking drinkers are much worse by having a try hard party image and drawing attention to the fact that they are breaking rules and getting shows shut down for everyone else. Not bashing discreet drinkers or drinking in general
One of the roughest pits I’ve ever been in was at a Melt Banana show: no fists, but people moshing with beer bottles and lit cigarettes. The poppiest band you can’t sing along to!
Yo sarge, don’t forget the reason to go to all scene shows: kyut scene bishes!!!
FACT
‘you have the constitutional right to be butthurt’
ahahahah this.
it could be in the ten commandments not the constitution idk, i didnt have time to look it up
pretty much same thing
Amen to this. Idk about everywhere else via not having driven more than 30mins to go to a show in the last 5 yrs, but I went to see Hatebreed the other day and they still bring out the “tr00 hxc ppl”…neways, I took a girlfriend of mine who had only been to shows like motionless in white and thought it was a good idea to try and mosh(after i said it prolly wasnt the best idea) with the skinheads/rednecks/whatever elses…i promptly yanked her out of the pit as she was about to get checked in the face by some 400lb redneck shouting ‘no clit in the pit’ , and reminded her ‘this is why we don’t go to these things’.
anyway….im too old to go in to my place of employment/career and try and explain why i have 8 stitches in my head from taking brass knuckles to the face the night before. I enjoy going to the scene shows, b/c 99% of ppl are there to have fun, idc if im the old guy in the back drinking beer at the bar. atleast ill be having fun and ill be safe.
That one dude in a suit in the first video, lol.
Now back to the comment. Scene shows have blow up boats and surfboards passed around to ‘crowd surf on and all you get at HxC shows is a good display of what it would look like if you had a group of people with epilepsy in a laser and lights show.
Straya.
So what will you do if your kids start getting involved with whatever music scene in the future replaces hardcore? Would you not let them go, or try to explain to them why it sounds like a bunch of fuckup losers, or what? Do you wonder if bad decision making genes run in the family? I seriously do, for me at least.
Seems kinda harsh to condemn your teens/20s as shitty due to being involved in hardcore. Are you necessarily sure other kids had that much more fun, or anything particularly interesting going on at that age? If so, is it anything that going to hardcore shows would have barred involvement in? Grass is always greener
Well, we’ve already gone over in great details the trials and tribulations of poor life choices. And as he already stated, he does love Hardcore. You seem to be concerned that he’s “putting hardcore down.” and you really shouldn’t. Like…yeah it’s great, but its also pretty fucking ridiculous. There are a myriad of other foolish teenage activities that don’t include a fraction of the negative side effects of this absurd “alternative lifestyle”. Being normal really is better at the end of the day, thats just our nature.
Re-reading my comment, it does sound pretty butthurt and defensive. Was actually trying to ask some serious questions, like what he would actually do in the even that his kids wanted to be involved in something similar to hardcore. And also requesting some more elaboration on whether there really were significantly better hobbies/communities/interests to have had than hardcore.
Yes, hardcore is very ridiculous in many ways, some more negative than others. There is no denying this. I just seriously wonder how much better are the majority of other choices that could have been made. Wasting time in music cultures with dysfunctional people is not the only way to not get your life together, by a long shot. haha.
I guess I feel like its a reverse of causes: people are attracted to hardcore because they are fuckups, they are not usually normal before they got into hardcore and then turned into fuckups by hardcore. That’s my observation, at least.
http://www.stuffyouwillhate.com/2011/10/punk-rock-parenting-how-should-i-keep-my-kids-from-being-into-art-or-music/
Ah, forgot about that one.
Yeah but you gotta put at least some of your time in at shows like these.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECGSKXlfXbs&feature=related
The vocalist really needs to hock up that flem.
see also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZpo3C2rtTo
DAT GURGLZ
i dont like going to scene shows anymore because im black and i just feel really awkward and out of place :(
You should feel like that everywhere though.
scene shows are the only place where white ppl don’t try to be black ppl
Everywhere else I’m hip and cool
lololololol dude that is completely true, i never thought about it like that before.
Please accept this Wrexx N FX cassette single as a post-racial token of welcome, from me on behalf of The Scene as a whole!
fucken sweet… you’ll be my tyler the creator/based god token black homie… We can smash dem guera guts together brah!!
inbe4 i get penis envy/10
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You’re welcome, I try my best.
Lots of tr00 pop punk/srscore bros here in CT, and most of their shows are just kids with Smiths back patches and 50′s dad haircuts standing around with their arms crossed (and occasionally doing that thing where they get on one knee, look down at the ground and “feel the music”). The shitty basement punk shows are usually kids getting wasted and blasting whipped cream at each other in the pit and such. This place is weird.
occasionally doing that thing where they get on one knee, look down at the ground and “feel the music”
brb overwhelmed with how meaningful this song is music is my lief
I think i had the most fun at a show i’ve had in a while seeing Razzle dazzle at that TIHC afterparty. We have a band like that around here called wild man wild, and those shows are just so fun. Where did all the fun loc bands go?
For the record, the “fucked up part of Toledo” in question is all of Toledo.
The entire midwest is pretty scummy. Ohio has the honor of having quite possibly the scummiest hardcore scene in the whole country. So many authentic criminals.
eg my bff from the cincinnati hc scene who got locked up for murder
I’m not surprised. Northwest Indiana, all of Illinois, and the St. Louis area have some scumbags but Ohio easily takes the cake. The only time anything goes badly at a hardcore show here in KY is when people from Ohio show up. Never fails.
I Agree with this article a ton. I go to lot of “troo” hardcore shows, but the most violent show i’ve been to was MIW @bledfest when someone got stabbed lol