I often compare the Southern California moshcore band GOLIATH to the Southern California crustcore band DYSTOPIA because, well, they sound a lot alike (except of course GOLIATH has 100000x better production and they can actually play their instruments). Aside from how they dress, they’re much more similar than not. Evidence:
Exhibit 1: DYSTOPIA “Backstabber.” Put them on tour with XIBALBA, dress them up in ROTTING OUT snapbacks, and you could have 2013′s most popular tr00 hxc band.
Exhibit 2: GOLIATH “Lost Cause.” Swap out their mesh shorts for AMEBIX backpatches, have them play some filthy punk rock flophouse in North Philly instead of Chain Reaction, and they could be the next big thing in punx music.
Someone on my Tumblr apparently does not see things this way, though. It is always entertaining to watch someone experience massive asspain over something as trivial as comparing two bands, so I thought I would share this series of asks from him and Michael from GOLIATH:
My recommendation to Michael on how GOLIATH can inflict maximum asspain on overly-opinionated crust punx
I love that sounding like Goliath is considered selling out now.
Somewhat popular but still relatively obscure? Pure commercial garbage.
Haha, IMN’s are retards like that.
Omg deathcore is mainstream (because you know, they don’t stop playing that 1 Carnifex song on the radio)
ikr like how they play that fucking Demolisher song on Monday Night Football like every 5 minutes??
Jesus that would be awesome.
Please make Michael do that cover and then have a live blog update of the increase in butthurt levels. You know how sometimes they do really dumb unimportant news stories where they interview a witness and some colorful local fggt gets his 10 seconds of fame?? It’d be like that except asspier, smellier and funnier.
I’m imagining this like one of those charity events where they have a thermometer-like meter showing how much money theyve collected, only in this case its labled ‘crusty nerdrage’
With scene famous guest hosts taking calls and talking about their favourite breakdowns and purposefully mis-labelling genres and comparing bands to Dystopia to help the nerdrage gauge rise faster
“DOOM is hands down the best metalcore band of the last 5 years, I can’t wait to hear their debut LP with that trademark Joey Sturgis production!!”
ded
I recommend a ‘u rage, u lose’ series of singles where bands record versions of underground ‘classics’ for the sole purpose of inducing rage in a fan base. I can’t think of anything good at the moment…like when Crazytown covered Refused…that was the best.
possibly the finest moment in recorded music
They should cover Diary of a Battered Child (via that breakdown) and do the intro (‘Son? Yeah dad?) in gang vocals.
Except they should re-enact the ENTIRE MOVIE. It is the Breakfast Club btw
His tone sounds like forced retard, I think he’s trolling u
It’s not really trolling if they come off as really stupid, as opposed to making you mad.
Like “wow u sure got me bro, eating that pile of shit right in front of me taught me a lesson”
“wow, ramming your dick into that guy’s asshole really trolled the shit out of me, well played sir”
‘Here, drink this glass of puke. But just for a troll.’
“I’ll be back by 4 darling, I’m just going out for a quick troll before tea.”
I thought the same thing. “I bet he didn’t even know about Doom Toxic Narcotic Phobia” just really pinged my trolldar. I mean first of all the past-tense “didn’t” is advanced level forced poor grammar trolling.
Next,unless Doom Toxic Narcotic Phobia is the single band name of some obscure crust punx band from a Mongolian squat, Doom and Phobia are about as entry level as it gets. I was never much into crust or grind but I’m sure I have a Doom 7″ lying around somewhere. And Toxic Narcotic.. are they even a crust band? Does anyone on earth revere them? They’re a boston sXe band who happened to play shows with some punk bands afaict.
So he may have in fact been a troll who was acting trolled. Metatrolling can be a dangerous game. It just ends up confusing everybody and no troll wins.
up next: ex-crusties sell out, form goliath, open for mumford & sons, make millions.
Watching this unfold=lols forever
If Goliath does that cover… ohhhhh man
GOD UR SUCH A SELL OUT, U PROBLY LISTEN TO JUSTIN BEEBER FUCKIN FAGGOT.
Amaze @ how it seems that people who read and reply in the blog and people who follow and ‘contribute’ in D’s tumblr are two entirely different groups.
this is actually something ive been thinking about too!!
the fuck are these aspies following some dude who has the musical tastes of a suburban white teenage girl (semi-srs)….
i like the blog only and occasionally ask his tumblr once in a while…
now back to the butthurtedness…
Dude, Sarge, I talk to you about that as “anonymous” because I was too scared that you would yell at me and this is what I get?! You post it on the site!? I thought my dickhead opinions were safe with you!
Seriously though, I will never get enough of you interacting with people at the same level of intensity while they just escalate through the roof.
Also, I guess this kid loses cuz I hadn’t listened to Goliath before but checked them out on the Spotfies after reading this and they now have one more fan of their sick jams.
Jorbam is lying! It was actually me, D…
and one less fan of dystopia tbh (though he probably would have been disgusted to know that someone as societally functional and normally dressed as me was desecrating the reputation of the grind and crust scene by enjoying ‘their’ music)
I think my favorite part is that just telling the kid to fuck off because crust punk music is fucking gay and stupid and groce would have worked, been funny, etc. But to make it even better, to turn the tables on the guy so that he’s suddenly faced with the fact that the two dudes he’s trying to act all uppity towards about punx are actually lifers, embarrassing him in front of everyone reading, THAT’S what made this entire exchange solid gold.
So wait, was that you or Michael from Goliath doing the replies?
Also, is Michael your age or pretty old in fact?
I am an retard and cant figure shit out, pls repsond
Look at the usernames, all of the questions from anon were directed at sarge, and michael (via the goliath tumblr) left sarge a few asks giving his own take on the situation.
Michael is 21 or 22
Nah man that was me responding from the Goliath Tumblr. Normally I bud out of these type of things but I could not help myself on this one haha. Also I am 22, so Im not too old.
Ah cool thanks for replies guys, I was super sick last night (still am) and cannot figure basic shit out. Perfect timing for finals week lol
I was introduced to crust, powervoilence and the like by some guys very similar to you Sarge. My city having a relatively small scene at the time, all the victory records influenced bands played with thrash and crust bands and shared members and so on. When I went to a couple of crust shows in a bigger city, I knew full well they were going to be smelly homeless people, but I didn’t know the smelly homeless people were going to be all snobby about middle class kids in camos coming from out of town and giving them money. They’re an odd bunch
I had a similar experience, TBH it makes me glad I came from a small town hardcore scene so I could appreciate different genres with less snobbery
Strong post, I have been following this on tumblor.
People’s reactions are p sad. It’s completely fair to prefer one thing over another but when you are, like me, a somewhat crusty guy in his 30s (who has obviously been into the legit shit for years) the best attitude to have is inclusive- ultimately my taste in music has a lot in common with a regular hardcore kid now so why fight that? Like I recently saw ‘drink and stink’ heroes DOOM- half the large crowd was the same early 20′s kids that went to Xibalba and Trash Talk. OH NOES WE CANT HAVE THESE KIDS EXTENDING OUR MUSIC AND MAKING GIGS WORTHWHILE VIA MONEY AND ENTHUSIASM.
Also basically most heavy music sounds the same. Apologies for posting this but tell me this Napalm Death track doesn’t sound p much like Defiler’s ‘Walk in the Glow’ (albeit with more blastbeats etc):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CX6Of67SqM
dude i always said that later Napalm Death was like straight up moshcore, glad i am not the only one who noticed this
Fear, Emptiness, Despair is a shitkicker.
Yep for sure.
What makes me sad is people hating on kids who, obviously, have come up through less tr00-cred scenes of music but who are now interested in this old-school stuff and are actively keeping it alive and relevant and most importantly fun. I am sure the old guard are legit 87 hanging out with heresey bros, but ultimately then just stand around at shows talking about how much better discharge were when they saw them 30 years ago. The kids go mental to basically every single heavy riff any of the bands will play the whole night. Motherfuckers need to wake up.
Also basically most heavy music sounds the same.
THIS times a million, so glad someone made this point. Differences between music scenes are cultural way more than musical and outsiders cannot tell the differences for a reason.
Exactly. If I play Suiside Silence and Cannibal Corpse back to back of each other, my co-workers would never know the difference. IMNs would lose their shit at my playing “shitty deathcore” after such legends as CC.
holy fuck. anon is single most retarded fuck ever. one of my favorites of the many here was: “I used to be crust”
I am a hardcore atm but I sometimes I feel I am a death metal personally. words cannot explain the douchebaggery. hope he’s not an Aussie too that would be too much for me
i like how “i went thru a 2.5 year crust phase” is his badge of credibility that allows him to judge everyone else
“I’m a genre-fluid transgenre individual. u cant label me”
I was always wondering if a Dystopia disc was worth spending money on and now, thanks to this post, I know it is. Thank you Michael from Goliath!
Haha you are very welcome
The difference is really just a matter of production imo
Yeah I agree well also the fact Goliath is in tune helps to haha.
To me Dystopia were the worst combo of PC crustpunk and whiny nu-metal. Never understood what was supposed to be so great about them.
Well consider how low the bar was set for ‘good music’ in the 90s crust scene and you can see how they would be considered god-tier musicians with sparkling production
You might be right, I guess they were technically “different”, but I’d still rather listen to Code13 and Cripple Bastards.
Oh, I didn’t mean to sound like I was disagreeing with you. I wasn’t. I just think it’s funny how easy it was to be considered “good” back then.
See most of the nu-metal scene for how true that actually is. How the fuck did bands like Factory 81 and Pressure 4-5 get signed?
LOL @ all crusties. BRB, selling out and enjoying my running water, available food, and climate controlled home.
srs, how does anyone over the age of 19 not understand this? Being poor fucking sucks.
pretty sure crusties over the age of 19 still live under the delusion that they’re actively choosing poverty rather than accept the reality that they are in fact stupid, useless leaches who lack the basic skills to excel at life.
in fact they’re dumber and more useless than most homeless people, because the vast majority of crusties threw away the meal ticket of being the product of white middle class american dreamers. 3+ generations of wealth building and a leg up on the game just flushed down the toilet.
Not to mention homeless people generally understand that their situation sucks, but they can’t/are unwilling to change it due to mental problems or drug addiction.
IDK guys, crusties can be pretty gay/judgmental about music/political opinions, but this is America and they can do whatever they want. If other people want to opt out of modern conveniences I don’t care, and why would you?
Also, it seems that being a crusty is the ultimate personal branding statement/decadent style statement: I am the product of so much privilege and wealth that I can opt out of all of it with virtually no consequences.
Doesn’t make them any less disgusting or unbearable
I can just imagine this gay later that night still being all buttmad about crust posers, and going to some crusty hang out (maybe a crusty crab) and calling out someone there as a poser. Then they would spend like an hour trying to out-crust each other, with the winner getting dibs on the crustiest (or only) female there. Then he’d take her out to eat thrown away pizza crusts and they’d lick each other’s eye crust off or whatever crusties do I’m out of my element here.
I appreciate your effort at creating what i am sure you thought was such a ridiculous scenario that it would point out how silly crust punx are, but what you described was essentially just your typical crust house show.
I’m just glad I have no idea how the crusts act. Would watch a documentary of a bro trying to live amongst them tho.
‘not sheriff i am watching a documentary about feral children or a crust band’s tour diary’
Like the angriest vegan hippie you ever met had a baby with one of these guys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0IZdP3x66Y
lol’d @ “crusty crab” hahaha
+1
This reminds me of that time I got into an argument with some crusters about how bad brains were evil homophobes and listening to them made me an evil homophobe. All of this happened while I was holding a negative fx record, which they didn’t mind at all for some reason.
<3 crusters.
I thought black people couldn’t be prejudiced by definition. Or wrong, for that matter.
Or wrong, for that matter.
brb tumblr
I think an Agathocles cover would be more butthurtful. “A For Arrogance” would probably be easiest, since the opening riff is pretty damn moshable to begin with. Or even do Bolt Thrower and ruin the rectums of crusties and IMNs at the same time.
Bolt Thrower is super trendy with moshcore bands right now (srs)– Harm’s Way covers them for example (god knows why, BT are one of the single worst 90s DM bands)
They’re one of my favorites, personally. But I also have a track record of loving terrible music.
I will never understand why people nerdgasm over Bolt Thrower.
The Warhammer 40k nerd cred is enough to carry them
^this
Goliath/Agathocles split cassette, limited to 230 copies in Butthurt Recs from Poland.
“Butthurt recs”
lol
Stress Builds Character with a breakdown sounds rad-as-fcuk not gonna lie. I enjoy a good amount of crust but it’s kind of a joke. Get a haircut and wear real clothes ffs.
also, as many bass drops as possible
I can’t be the only one who thinks that Amebix doesn’t even sound like Punk?. If anything they just sounds like the Heavy Metal stuff that was around at the time, but with worse production. Oh, and the same beta imagery and style sense.
to troll my friends that are into that band i always ask if its motorhead or say “this has got to be the worst venom song ive ever heard”
“ugh can you skip this? i fucking hate Beowulf.”
It still doesn’t baffle me as much as the brief period where Hardcore kids tried jocking Crust. I mean, if you’re a trendy mosh bro (positive note) who is able to pull good looking girls, why would you jock the music/scene that promotes beta activism, unattractiveness and unpopular opinions.
Remember Cursed?. Ewwwww.
dont look at me for an answer dude, i am just as baffled by kids willingly taking several steps down the social hierarchy as you are :/
It was rhetorical, but ether way that was a scary period. I chose Martyr AD and Bury Your Dead over that shit
Love both those bands. Especially Martyr, they played my first show ever circa 2001
Also, IMO these type of identity changes are just adolescent experimentation. Most of the moshbros dabbling in crust probably figured out what you pointed out pretty quick and moved on to something else
Or we just liked the sound of the music and never gave two fucks about the politics.
Liked the sound of Crass etc.? You gotta be kidding me. Even half the people at those s hows admit the music only works because of the message or whatever
Beautiful!
Sounding like Goliath is selling out? How they are raw as fuck.
i’m pretty confused about crust. it sounds disgusting. it’s amazing(ly sad) the extent to which so many people will go to feel special. being really gross, getting mad about other people’s opinions whether they do or don’t like the same things you like, and isolating pretty much anybody that doesn’t dress and act exactly the same way as you (and even then it seems iffy) all seem like pretty good ways of making yourself lonely and sad. and all just for the sake of feeling special and different. smh :(
getting mad about other people’s opinions whether they do or don’t like the same things you like
A++++
I love at the end how Michael posted the chain of events this kid will go though to get into Goliath lol at that coming true. He will be like ‘remember when i hated Goliath and would talk shit on the internet haha well funny how times change”. As he drives off in his new Audi after getting his shit together and inherits his dad’s million dollar company.
you have no idea how accurately this describes my life trajectory (except i have an Acura and my parents are broke)
Wow this makes me sad he must be young most crust kids would not be like that. Or he got pitted on at a Goliath show haha.
He drops The Casualties like its a bad thing haha. Ah man Goliath rules crust sucks end of story.
This almost made me change my user name…but then I remembered it’s a joke
lol ah ur back.. fucken sweet… never change dat handle bro…
but yea
dat production does make a difference.. feel sorry for the 90s oldfags that had to endure LP after demo tape after scratched CD’s of nothing but a bunch of bands basically screaming in a trash can/boot….
Seriously. Accessible Good recording quality is the best thing to happen to hardcore ever imo
haha…the transition to oldfag is a defining moment. You can either be that fag that blindly holds onto what was good in the day and bashes anything new that progressed from the past, or an oldfag can realize that he will always love the old crappy collection (even tho itz not up to current standards) but don’t force it on youngFags/hate on new muzak.
Wuz guilty of prior early on w/ sharing cassettes to my nephews to “learn them the roots” and play them some sweet ol’ shit. Hit play, and see on the look of “ewww, groce” on their face, yet them trying not to be disrespectful of lodfag and saying, “um yeah, cool, unk…”
So oldfags, we can still cherish our shitty production oldfag muzak….just objectively remember that it IS shitty production oldfag muzak (this is one of the reasons I find new bands that “go back to roots” and make shitty production on purple soooo groce. (c Loma Priretcha,)
i non-ironically love the horrifyingly shitty production on the Excruciating Terror and Crossed Out 7″s. it’s perfect for their music.
“um yeah, cool, unk…”
<3
Crust thats that shit i don’t like.
Sergeant D you’re a fucking moron. Crust is nothing like deathcore and it will always be better than deathcore,Goliath is shitty and generic just like every other band in that genre,and everything you post is lame.
not sheriff srs
if srs, lol @ calling anything “shitty and generic” when u probably listen to d-beat
djent-beat: Veil Of Maya meets Disfear
brb starting a d-beat band with mosh parts called “disslut” for maximum overtroll
Haha DISDJENT 2013
Fuck you for reminding me D-beat exists. Cunt.
+1
Anyone who thinks crust is better than deathcore is a fggt. Its so cool to be a smelly bum who can’t play their instrument yeah fer sure dude. At Goliath sounds original and can play their shit. Their songs are as real as any crust band out there.
Yeah sarge u fucking moron
stop posting lame stuff that I don’t agree with
/thread, you lose, my opinion wins, fuck off and die, lol pwned
I hope my kids don’t turn out as gay as you.
Troll level: C+
No troll, legit stangry gaybot who raged and blew his anus out on the last Goliath post:
http://www.stuffyouwillhate.com/2012/11/goliath-have-a-new-lyric-video-cement-their-status-as-a-scene-band/#comment-80710
Fucking lol
dead at “teach me your ways pussy master”
Dude midxwest trolls all of Goliath posts he must have really strong feelings about this band haha
Yeah, I just don’t want to ever understand why this is even remotely an issue. My favorite part of this exchange was when he says that Goliath have sold out and “sold their soul.” Like, haha, how does that even work out???
That embarrassing moment when you’re above the age of 16, have defined your life around being a crust punk and worry about music credentials, and get sore at people enjoying a band’s music. I just imagine all the people enjoying Goliath and having fun at the show and this idiot thinking it involves selling your show. Pathetic and depressing (very srs). I cant’ imagine ever letting my life sink that low.
Why do people like this aspie care so much about what other people do with their lives
Like seriously what reasoning is there
Its cause Sarge being the musical genius that he is can listen to Goliath and hear every little influence in it. I love how he noticed that one of the vocalist sounds like Dystopia thats fucking cool. You can’t name any other band with that mixture of genre. Goliath should get praise for this not hated on.
I’m guessing if you choose to identify as a crust punk, you don’t really care about reasoning.
Chillin’ drops the knowledge.
Your all faggots come to a Goliath show and talk shit
Im sure they would get beat up real quick.
Reading can be difficult bro, maybe try again?
Sound out the words slowly, and soon you’ll be able to make whole sentences, then you’ll realise nobody is talking shit about Goliath.
Haha yeah this is a post to make fun of crust punx who don’t like Goliath
iamthehumanbeing is probably a huge fucking faggot tho
just chiming in to say that I love blown to shit modern d-beat with intentionally shitty production a la Disclose/d-clone about as much as I love dumbo eared wigger mosh. Which is a lot. Also dystopia kills it but absolutely no one likes phobia
Who the fuck cares, Goliath is a terrible band. I’m sick of this shit. These new G TUNED bands claiming “california beatdown” With their sloppy acacia strain ripoff repetitiveness. GTFO. Listen to real beatdown like SHATTERED REALM, BULLDOZE, SIX FT DITCH.